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Get ready with your complains

The stage to Lekunberri will not climb San Miguel de Aralar. It was too much after Tourmalet and Larrau.

According to the same article, this will be the final climb instead, about 8k from the line. Breakaway day it is.
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Updated route overview:
Stage 1: Barcelona TTT
Stage 2: Mataró - Barcelona
Stage 3: ?? - Andorra (MTF in Vallnord)
Stage 4: Andorra la Vella - Tarragona
Stage 5: ?? - Burriana
Stage 6: ?? - ??
Stage 7: Utiel - Oliva
Stage 8: Denia - Xorret de Catí
Stage 9: Province of Murcia
Rest day
Stage 10: Valladolid ITT?
Stage 11: Lerma - Laguna Negra
Stage 12: Ólvega? - somewhere in Aragón
Stage 13: Biescas? - Tourmalet
Stage 14: Oloron-Sainte-Marie - Larra-Belagua
Stage 15: Pamplona - Lekunberri
Rest day
Stage 16: Liencres - Bejes
Stage 17: Ribadesella - Angliru
Stage 18: Pola de Allande - Cruz de Linares
Stage 19: ?? - ??
Stage 20: ?? - Guadarrama
Stage 21: ?? - Madrid
 
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After the removal of San Miguel de Aralar and most of Portalet the rumour is they've run out of budget for climbs if they want the last week to be harder than the second one. They took note of the complains on last year's route, so this year they'll get different ones.
 
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Looking at the global route I get Unipublic's logic for the removal of S.Miguel de Aralar.
When the stages to Tourmalet, Belagua and Lekunberri were announced and scheduled before the second rest day very little was known of the third week. There was the rumour of the ITT after the second rest day and the two Asturian stages with unknown dates.
Now we know Angliru is on Wed and Cruz de Linares on Thu, which logically points to Bejes on Tue after the rest day.
Keeping S.Miguel de Aralar in this scenario would result into 3 mountain stages + rest day + 3 mountain stages. Blame on whoever proposed the MTF at Bejes. That was too sweet of a candy for Guillén & Co.
 
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Looking at the global route I get Unipublic's logic for the removal of S.Miguel de Aralar.
When the stages to Tourmalet, Belagua and Lekunberri were announced and scheduled before the second rest day very little was known of the third week. There was the rumour of the ITT after the second rest day and the two Asturian stages with unknown dates.
Now we know Angliru is on Wed and Cruz de Linares on Thu, which logically points to Bejes on Tue after the rest day.
Keeping S.Miguel de Aralar in this scenario would result into 3 mountain stages + rest day + 3 mountain stages. Blame on whoever proposed the MTF at Bejes. That was too sweet of a candy for Guillén & Co.
Plus of course that the only one of those stages that didn't end in an MTF was the obvious one to cut, simply because there are alternative ways to get to the finish.

However, the Vuelta has been massively lacking in variety in mountain stages for a number of years, with the vast majority applying the same types of design - a steep MTF in a Unipuerto profile, or a steep MTF after some transitional climbs and then a bit of a pause. The vast majority finish on the steepest climb of the day. The current design ethos of Unipublic is to guarantee at least a bit of action in every mountain stage (and possibly increase the possibility that a wild Seppkuss appears), but of course it's a bit disappointing to lose out on a stage which has a different characteristic - and one which has been under-represented at the Vuelta for a long time, in order to accommodate another stage with the same characteristics as those surrounding it (even if that chain of climbs in western Cantabria is very tempting. The real letdown is using an unutilised pass like Cruz de Linares, but only as a summit finish)
 
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Plus of course that the only one of those stages that didn't end in an MTF was the obvious one to cut, simply because there are alternative ways to get to the finish.

However, the Vuelta has been massively lacking in variety in mountain stages for a number of years, with the vast majority applying the same types of design - a steep MTF in a Unipuerto profile, or a steep MTF after some transitional climbs and then a bit of a pause. The vast majority finish on the steepest climb of the day. The current design ethos of Unipublic is to guarantee at least a bit of action in every mountain stage (and possibly increase the possibility that a wild Seppkuss appears), but of course it's a bit disappointing to lose out on a stage which has a different characteristic - and one which has been under-represented at the Vuelta for a long time, in order to accommodate another stage with the same characteristics as those surrounding it (even if that chain of climbs in western Cantabria is very tempting. The real letdown is using an unutilised pass like Cruz de Linares, but only as a summit finish)
That said, the stage over Larrau still looks good and I don't mind giving the riders an easier stage right after.
 
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yep, early rumours made it look like the Vuelta would have shift a bit in their fixed style of how to design stages. Larrau would be the perfect place for chaos. Aralar with a double ascent would be something different as well. Even there were mentioned options to finish on Laguna Negra with a great seguince of climbs. And Tourmalet at least with 1st cat and 1 HC before it.

However, latest rumours/news is going back more to the typical Unipublic Vuelta style. Miserat (with great possibilities for downhill finish/circuit/at least connection to other climbs) has been replaced by Xorret de Cati, which is a climb that can't be link to anything. So that will be the typical medium mountain stage, with some 3rd, maybe even 2nd category climbs on the route, but all in the early/middle section of the stage. Than Portalet seems te be almost completely removed and there are even rumours to make an extra loop through Lourdes and finish Tourmalet from the Campan side. Arrelar seems to be completely removed. And then the last week, the possible chain of climbs in Cantabria could be good (but no guaranty that all the Hoz'es are there), but followed by Angliru (so spare energy mode is more likely), Angliru never leads to long range attacks. And finishing on Cruz de Linares is a shame, even worse, Unipublic can made this there treadmark queenstage, with 3 or 4 'big climbs' but always 30 kilometers of valley in between them. So many great passes in the Asturias and they always make only the last climb count. The medium mountain stage in the Sierra Madrilena is still quite unknown. They are talking about some more hilly stage with 3/4 km climbs. We have to see if that stage will be hard enough to have relevance for GC.

Before sounding to negative, still curious how tomorrow the real route will look like. Not everything is known yet and it still has the potential to be a much better route than last years Vuelta.
 
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That said, the stage over Larrau still looks good and I don't mind giving the riders an easier stage right after.
Otoh, with the next stage being easy (and there being no non-MTF mountain stage before the final day as a result), the case for finishing in Isaba and preferably throwing in another climb on the French side of the border does become even stronger.

Something like Ichère > Labays > Hourcère > Larrau > Laza > finish in Isaba would have made for a great queen stage. And it's not like Unipublic have never had queen stages mostly or completely abroad in the past either. If you really needed some sort of uphill finish, Argibiela is in a better spot too, although logistically more complex.
 
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Stage 9: Cartagena - Caravaca de la Cruz. This will be a MTF at the unprecedented Alto de la Barquilla..

That's a dead end road to a heliport just below the Collado de la Cruz that can't be connected to any significant climb.

Apparently for Unipublic evolution is doing the same thing at new places.

8.2km @ 6.4%, but looks quite irregular.

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Perfect time for disappointment after my Analog Electronic Circuits final tomorrow morning.
Or hopefully, a distraction with a good route, or immense joy if coupled with a good performance in exam.
 
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I presume we are out of rumours, so time to update this one one last time:

Stage 1: Barcelona TTT
Stage 2: Mataró - Barcelona
Stage 3: ?? - Andorra (MTF in Vallnord)
Stage 4: Andorra la Vella - Tarragona
Stage 5: Catí? - Burriana
Stage 6: Catí? - ??
Stage 7: Utiel - Oliva
Stage 8: Denia - Xorret de Catí
Stage 9: Cartagena - Caravaca de la Cruz-La Barquilla
Rest day
Stage 10: Valladolid ITT
Stage 11: Lerma - Laguna Negra
Stage 12: Ólvega? - Zaragoza
Stage 13: Formigal - Tourmalet
Stage 14: Oloron-Sainte-Marie - Larra-Belagua
Stage 15: Pamplona - Lekunberri
Rest day
Stage 16: Liencres - Bejes
Stage 17: Ribadesella - Angliru
Stage 18: Pola de Allande - Cruz de Linares
Stage 19: La Bañeza - ??
Stage 20: ?? - Guadarrama
Stage 21: ?? - Madrid

Stage 6 is likely mid-mountain considering that it's surrounded by three sprints and there are already three MTFs in week 1 (and nine in total), my educated guess would be that Garbí makes a return. Stage 19 should be a sprint stage.
 
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I'd say that looking at who started first the Tour is getting Guillenized

The question is, why does ASO allow these 2 clowns to continue releasing bad routes. Cannot Prudhomme step in tell these two knuckleheads to make a semi decent route for once?
 
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The question is, why does ASO allow these 2 clowns to continue releasing bad routes. Cannot Prudhomme step in tell these two knuckleheads to make a semi decent route for once?
Jokes on you if you think Prudhomme isn't fully onboard with these routes
 
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The the Amary family needs to ditch Prudhomme, and replace him with someone decent, not Guillen or Gouvenou
If they're still in charge is because they're giving good numbers. I don't know if they post about them on their socials like most riders do.
 
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Ordino + Arinsal with nothing before
Stage 6: Picon del Buitre _/
LOL 25km of ITT
Laguna Negra __/
Aubisque+Spandelles+Tourmalet
Hourcere+Larrau+Belagua as expected
Bejes __/ (No Collado de la Hoz!)
Colladiella+Cordal+Angliru
San Lorenzo + TenebredoS + Cruz de Linaresx2
208km, 10 climbs , 4200m of climbing around El Escorial to finish at Guadarrama

Meh!
 
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