2023 World Championships team selections

[DNP-Old]

That is not how prestige works…

Ah, but it does, because it would appear that the prestige that matters to Pidders, is the prestige he wishes to give to something himself. Which is not giving a damn about what anyone thinks, and doing what he enjoys most, i.e. mtb.

Pidcock made the decision to do what he likes best, and terms like interesting or more important do not matter and are all up for personal view. What even is importance? Some people work to make as much money as possible as they view that to be most important, others work for a lower fee but to find satisfaction.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Okay, a reduced bunch sprint.

I tried to think of a non-blunt way to put this and couldn’t, so a blunt answer it is:
How the *** do you follow cycling intensively enough to get to 11000 posts on here, yet still remain so clueless that you actually think this route will produce a reduced bunch sprint? I legitimately can’t wrap my head around that.

The odds of this route and this field producing a sprint of >10 riders are close to zero.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Okay, a reduced bunch sprint.

How many riders do you seriously think will be remaining after this undulating parcours? Chances are around half a dozen or so.

 

[Red Rick]

I tried to think of a non-blunt way to put this and couldn’t, so a blunt answer it is:
How the *** do you follow cycling intensively enough to get to 11000 posts on here, yet still remain so clueless that you actually think this route will produce a reduced bunch sprint? I legitimately can’t wrap my head around that.

The odds of this route and this field producing a sprint of >10 riders are close to zero.

Not gonna lie, I was sceptical about this route initially as well, and I was very wrong about Leuven in the end.

On surface level it just looks like there's no real climbs and it profiles fail when circuits like this get super technical.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Ah, but it does, because it would appear that the prestige that matters to Pidders, is the prestige he wishes to give to something himself. Which is not giving a damn about what anyone thinks, and doing what he enjoys most, i.e. mtb.

Pidcock made the decision to do what he likes best, and terms like interesting or more important do not matter and are all up for personal view. What even is importance? Some people work to make as much money as possible, others work for a lower fee but to find satisfaction.

You appear to be conflating prestige with personal values. If 99 out of 100 people care more about title A and the 100th person cares more about title B, then title A has much more prestige precisely because that much more people value it more highly. Pidcock being the 100th person and the MTB worlds being title B doesn’t change anything about that. Yes, he is choosing the MTB over the road race because he values the former more highly on a personal level, but that doesn’t mean the former is also more prestigious to him because, again, that’s not how prestige works. The two are very much not the same.

 

[RedheadDane]

How many riders do you seriously think will be remaining after this undulating parcours? Chances are around half a dozen or so.

I guess you could argue that a small group is a very reduced bunch...

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Let Pidcock do what he wants. Track cycling is going to have the most interesting events anyway.

 

[frisenfruitig]

To you. 'Important' has various meanings and descriptions.


He is yet to be a world champion in XCO, so he has plenty to prove and to gain.


He is going up against the greatest to ever do it, Nino Schurter. Furthermore, Van der Poel will be there as well.

The greatest to ever do it doesn't have the watts to beat Pidcock. He is just the biggest fish in a tiny pond just like Sven Nys used to be in CX.

In terms of prestige compared to the road it is near worthless but I understand that it is a big deal for him personally. He also just loves to do it just like MVDP. Still, he wouldn't be doing this if he actually thought he had a good chance at the road race.

 

[Poursuivant]

Pedersen to win on wet British roads again

 

[Red Rick]

How does everyone see this race unfold? Is it me or should all the favorites basically be wanting to join the long range attack that usually goes on the circuit? I don't see any good chase happening here.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

How does everyone see this race unfold? Is it me or should all the favorites basically be wanting to join the long range attack that usually goes on the circuit? I don't see any good chase happening here.

There are so many micro-hills. I'm also wondering what will be their effect and race dynamics.

 

[Tim Cahill]

High likelihood that it's going to be pissing it down in Glasgow all weekend

Then again I could've told you that without looking at the forecast

Route heavily favours the CX guys with high acceleration out of the corners and endurance, unsure of VDP's form though as he struggled a bit through the tour (illness?). Long-range attack is a good bet as I think as teams won't be able to piece things together easily, I expect an attack like the one of Asgreen/Jorgenson/Wright etc in Flanders where they anticipated the strongest from far out could be successful depending on the representation in the group.

That being said, come on Lazkano.

 

[tobydawq]

I tried to think of a non-blunt way to put this and couldn’t, so a blunt answer it is:
How the *** do you follow cycling intensively enough to get to 11000 posts on here, yet still remain so clueless that you actually think this route will produce a reduced bunch sprint? I legitimately can’t wrap my head around that.

The odds of this route and this field producing a sprint of >10 riders are close to zero.

Haha, I have spent most of the past months thinking (okay, most is probably a stretch) that you and Lequack were getting equally bummed by the direction cycling is taking, so this is quite the plot twist!

 

[DNP-Old]

The greatest to ever do it doesn't have the watts to beat Pidcock. He is just the biggest fish in a tiny pond just like Sven Nys used to be in CX.

Schurter literally beat Pidcock in Les Gets for the world title last year. He beat Van der Poel for the world title in Lenzerheide too. Now what?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Of course the WCRR is a bigger deal than the WCXCO, but winning the WCXCO is considerably more prestigious than not winning the WCRR.

I don’t really follow mountain biking, but isn’t Pidcock a lot more likely to win that than he is to win a 277km one day race against the very best classics riders?

 

[DNP-Old]

Of course the WCRR is a bigger deal than the WCXCO, but winning the WCXCO is considerably more prestigious than not winning the WCRR.

I don’t really follow mountain biking, but isn’t Pidcock a lot more likely to win that than he is to win a 277km one day race against the very best classics riders?

He is one of two main favorites, yes.

 

[frisenfruitig]

Schurter literally beat Pidcock in Les Gets for the world title last year. He beat Van der Poel for the world title in Lenzerheide too. Now what?

If either Pidcock or VDP are anywhere near their best shape Schurter gets blown away more often than not.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Haha, I have spent most of the past months thinking (okay, most is probably a stretch) that you and Lequack were getting equally bummed by the direction cycling is taking, so this is quite the plot twist!

Odd. I wouldn’t say I’m bummed about the direction cycling is taking/has taken in the past few years, I would say I have mixed feelings though (possibly to a greater degree than the majority on here?). I also wouldn’t say Lequack is one of the posters on here I agree with the most.

 

[DNP-Old]

If either Pidcock or VDP are anywhere near their best shape Schurter gets blown away more often than not.

Yet the stats show that Schurter and Van der Poel are dead equal in H2H.

 

[tobydawq]

Odd. I wouldn’t say I’m bummed about the direction cycling is taking/has taken in the past few years, I would say I have mixed feelings though (possibly to a greater degree than the majority on here?). I also wouldn’t say Lequack is one of the posters on here I agree with the most.

Fair enough, I just think you have both expressed a great deal of (understandable) dissatisfaction by all races being predictable if one of thw big 5/6 participates.

 

[Lequack]

Not a lot of climbing tho, how will the climbers get away from the strong men and sprinters?

Source:

Profile & Route Glasgow World Championships Men's Elite Road Race 2023

Profile. On the 6th of August of 2023, the riders will set off on the World Championships' men's Elite Road Race. They will be taking place in Glasgow, Scotland, where an urban circuit will give way t...

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[Krzysztof_O]

100 m @ 14.5%. It will be massacre!

 

[ManicJack]

Schurter literally beat Pidcock in Les Gets for the world title last year. He beat Van der Poel for the world title in Lenzerheide too. Now what?

Have you seen this year's course. It sucks. A few man made technical sections that only the crappiest bike handlers will be affected by. It's going to be decided on double track road climbs. Pidcock is probably licking his lips.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

I've herd that there are no less then 50 turns in the circuit, plus the micro hills already mention above..
this will be close to impossible to control..

 

[Valv.Piti]

I've herd that there are no less then 50 turns in the circuit, plus the micro hills already mention above..
this will be close to impossible to control..

Yup. And considering what happened in Leuven and Australia (already forgot the city), it's literally just a must watch from km 0. I'll have to get up especially early that day and do my zone 2 Pogi-session.