Giro d'Italia 2024 Giro d'Italia route rumours

[OlavEH]

In what universe does Fedaia count as a massive climb when Forcola di Livigno doesn't? Just smacks of trying to find a stick to beat RCS with. Also, Forcola right before Mottolino is actually a really nice combination.

I see your point. But Fedaia is also perfectly placed to combine with other climbs like Pordoi or Sella, and that 5 km, 11 % ramp at Fedaia is an excellent point for attacking.

Btw, a finish at Mottolino at the Livigno stage? Does that mean they are finish at the foot of the Mottolino gondola?

IMO the route looks to be the best since at least 2020. First MTF on stage 2, only one big MTF so much as rumoured for the final 8 stages, nothing stupid for stage 20, and the only potential bit of bad pacing would be Coé on stage 17 after Val Gardena/Val di Fassa on stage 16, which might not even happen in the first place because the rumours for that section are still a bit vague. It isn't going to be a truly stellar route, but it definitely isn't likely to be bad either. Yes, a late-stage Finestre, Mortirolo, Stelvio or Gavia would have been great, but only the latter would have been possible with the set of towns that is bidding, and it would still have been about 60k out which is a bit much for stage 15. Moreover, if snow were to cancel it, the alternative would not be Forcola (which is theoretically safer regarding snow, but only if they get the clearance sorted in time), but Mortirolo (probably from the weak side) - long valley - Foscagno, which is awful. So as long as they actually make sure Forcola is sorted (unlike with GSB this year), this is actually the more sensible option, especially if they finish on Mottolino. Would have liked it even better if they went over Mortirolo (from the weak side if needs be) or Monte Padrio before Forcola to make it a true monster stage, but how that's supposed to be a bad stage is beyond me.

The Livigino stage is okay by itself, but the total the last week seems really underwhelming. Not much is going to happen on a Livigno to Gardena via Stelvio stage, neither if they to Pinei towards Selva or climb from Ponte Gardena to Ortisei. The Passo Coe stage is what it is, a fairly decent MTF but not much more than that. And the last Grappa stage could be anything from a double Grappa to a single Grappa via one of the easient ascents like the northern one from Caupo.

 

[OlavEH]

So local Sudtirol newspaper says the finish of Val Gardena stage would be at top of Monte Pana, a 2 km murito, so not amazing, but at least it's not a 2017 Canazei lookalike

About 2 km at 12 % from using google maps and finish by the largest parking lot at Monte Pana. Would be a okay finish for an earlier mountain stage, but not at this point and at a stage using Stelvio first.

Also the Corriere delle Alpi (daily from Belluno) published an article about stage 20. Allegedly start on lago di santacroce, climbs of Cansiglio and Ca' del Poggio (most useless climb in the peninsula i know) and Grappa from Semonzo. Which would be decent if the finish was at the top or after a descent to south-west, but, according to said article, the stage will descent tha north side, toward Caupo, and than we will have around 40 km of valley before a finish in Bassano.

Now, i know that the last time this side of Grappa was used in a road stage there was a similar amount of flat after the descent and it was great, but that was a really peculiar race. Let's hope the journo had a bad source

Wow, this bad, really bad. The climb from Semonzo is good, but a 40 km flat section at the end. It would be much better to descend to Romano......

 

[Netserk]

Btw, a finish at Mottolino at the Livigno stage? Does that mean they are finish at the foot of the Mottolino gondola?

Like this (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/44613254), but maybe a bit lower. The article wrote that the finish would be above 2300 m.

 

[OlavEH]

Like this (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/44613254), but maybe a bit lower. The article wrote that the finish would be above 2300 m.

Thx, so at the top of the gondola? First to Passo Eira and then a short gravel section to Mottolino?

Edit: The totality of the route would have been freakin much better if they skipped that Livigino to Gardena stage, rather did a short(ish) and brutal Dolomites stages and made the last mountain stage to Bassano a double Monte Grappa with the last descent to Romano before heading to Bassano.

 

[roundabout]

Stage to Livigno on the 19th of May seems like really relying on the weather to play along.

Between 1999 and 2022 it has only been opened on or earlier than 19.05 on just 3 occasions

Forcola di Livigno / Alpenpässe

Keine Handelsroute tangierte das Tal von Livigno, das relativ spät besiedelt (um 1000 n.Chr.) worden ist und in den Anfängen während der Wintermonate völlig abgeschnitten lebte.

alpen-paesse.ch

And I am not sure that Graubünden have revoked their decision for the earliest time of opening of Forcola di Livigno (which is the first Monday of June)

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

I mean the area around Livigno is one of the coldest in the Alps, sometimes getting snow and frost even in the middle of august

 

[Mayomaniac]

Some sources mention a double Monte Grappa ascent on stage 20.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Stage to Livigno on the 19th of May seems like really relying on the weather to play along.

Between 1999 and 2022 it has only been opened on or earlier than 19.05 on just 3 occasions

Forcola di Livigno / Alpenpässe

Keine Handelsroute tangierte das Tal von Livigno, das relativ spät besiedelt (um 1000 n.Chr.) worden ist und in den Anfängen während der Wintermonate völlig abgeschnitten lebte.

alpen-paesse.ch

And I am not sure that Graubünden have revoked their decision for the earliest time of opening of Forcola di Livigno (which is the first Monday of June)

After this year RCS should know that you have to pay the Swiss extra money to open a pass earlier...

 

[gavia88]

Some sources mention a double Monte Grappa ascent on stage 20.

just one ascent + 40 flat kilometers make no sense, especially with the 2 stages before (sprint + medium mountains).

 

[roundabout]

This proposed stage (would be stage 16 I guess) is making my eyes bleed

 

[Netserk]

If the day after is a Coe uphill finish, the third week will stink. But if it's a good Val di Fassa stage, I can live with that Stelvio stage before it.

 

[gavia88]

This proposed stage (would be stage 16 I guess) is making my eyes bleed

Well, it completely depends on all the other stages. It would actually be acceptable if the next stage and the Saturday stage (Grappa) are stages with potential to atack from afar. With the Sunday stage, we still have 3 stages with potential and 2 (Stelvio and Sappada) with some light GC action + a time trial in the last week, While for a change it will not make the race completely backloaded and depending on the last mountain stage again. But of course, it depends what the first 2 weeks has to offer as well.

 

[Mayomaniac]

If the day after is a Coe uphill finish, the third week will stink. But if it's a good Val di Fassa stage, I can live with that Stelvio stage before it.

There haven't been any more rumours about Passo Cuddles on Italian Websites and newspapers during the Last few weeks. I'm Not Sure that it's actually going to happen.

 

[Gigs_98]

This proposed stage (would be stage 16 I guess) is making my eyes bleed

"I'd like a Stelvio stage and a Dolomites stage in next years Giro."
Monkey's Paw curls

 

[Red Rick]

Like this (https://ridewithgps.com/routes/44613254), but maybe a bit lower. The article wrote that the finish would be above 2300 m.

"Lads, I heard Red Rick loves dirt road extensions of existing climbs"

 

[nightowl]

This proposed stage (would be stage 16 I guess) is making my eyes bleed

The Tour de Suisse has these sorts of stages quite often, and they often have more action than you’d think because of the distance, altitude, etc. Then again, that’s the Tour de Suisse and not the Giro.

I do think though that if they put a short but intense Dolomites stage after it - something in the vein of the Andorra stages the Vuelta has done a few times - that it would actually have the potential to be quite a good bit of race design.

 

[Eshnar]

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stage 16: Livigno - Monte Pana
stage 17: Selva di Valgardena - Passo Brocon
stage 18: Fiera di Primiero - Padova
stage 19: Mortegliano - Sappada
stage 20: Alpago - Bassano del Grappa (Monte Grappa from Semonzo x2)

 

[Netserk]

Passo Brocon as a stage finish?!

With Grappa twice, surely there's no long valley in the end.

 

[Eshnar]

Passo Brocon as a stage finish?!

With Grappa twice, surely there's no long valley in the end.

no, they should just descend directly into the town. I don't know why they reported something completely different yesterday, but it was never gonna happen.

 

[Netserk]

Maybe only knowing that the Giro would pass through those towns, but not realising that it would be for the Padova stage?

 

[staubsauger]

The Tour de Suisse has these sorts of stages quite often, and they often have more action than you’d think because of the distance, altitude, etc. Then again, that’s the Tour de Suisse and not the Giro.

I do think though that if they put a short but intense Dolomites stage after it - something in the vein of the Andorra stages the Vuelta has done a few times - that it would actually have the potential to be quite a good bit of race design.

At the Tour de Suisse it's mainly done to make sure the queen stage is won by the gc favorites, like this year on the Albulapass. It's a trick, so the stage becomes easier to control with the long flat section in between.

Difference is that at the Tour de Suisse it was the last and only big mountain stage. While at the Giro d'Italia it's the first one and other chances to come.

So this isn't necessarily working out as it does at the Tour de Suisse.

 

[Netserk]

Val Malene means at least the latter half of this side of Brocon:

If coming from Rolle, it'd be really bad. The article mentions San Pellegrino, and if so I doubt we'd see Manghen, which would allow for a great stage: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/44630991

 

[Kyllingen86]

Giro d’Italia. Altre novità sull’ultima settimana nel Bellunese

Ultimi incastri nella Alpago-Bassano. Il Feltrino verrà toccato il giovedì e non il sabato. L’arrivo del mercoledì sulle strade della Sportful

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stage 16: Livigno - Monte Pana
stage 17: Selva di Valgardena - Passo Brocon
stage 18: Fiera di Primiero - Padova
stage 19: Mortegliano - Sappada
stage 20: Alpago - Bassano del Grappa (Monte Grappa from Semonzo x2)

So I guess stage 16 (Livigno - Monte Pana) is pretty much as the profile shown in previous posts.
Stage 17 is a bit of a mystery for me. My geographical knowledge is a bit hazy but any hope on Fedaia, Pordoi or something like that? Passo Brocon itself doesn't seem to be worth much.
Stage 18 - As expected I guess.
Stage 19 - If Duron and Valcalda is in I don't have any complaints.
Stage 20 - Double ascent of Grappa is also good - And good it was not with 40 km of flat in the end.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

At least the article confirms that we‘ll see Ca‘ del Poggio on Stage 20, what a relief!

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

Val Malene means at least the latter half of this side of Brocon:

If coming from Rolle, it'd be really bad. The article mentions San Pellegrino, and if so I doubt we'd see Manghen, which would allow for a great stage: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/44630991

Considering the article says the stage should start in SudTirol, you could possibly arrive in Alleghe via Campolonogo, or Valparola, then go over San Pellegrino back into Val di Fassa and use the final of your desing, i reckon this would be a good stage. Altough they also mention the Grandfondo Sportful, which still gives me PTSD from 2019