Follow all the latest news and results from the Tour de Romandie 2022!
Giro d'Italia is fast approaching - Check out the Cycling News Giro d’Italia 2022 preview!
To be honest, the moment De Lie initiates his final kick the 'hole' was still big enough.hard to say if this deserves a penalty. You could see the crash coming when de Lie went for the hole which wasn't there
maybe just, yeah, but watching it live, didn't you feel like him going for it will definitely result in a crash?To be honest, the moment De Lie initiates his final kick the 'hole' was still big enough.
The Quatre Jours have a pink jersey for the race leader since at least the 1950s.Whats all this pink in the graphics for Dunkerque?
Trolling the coming Giro?
It was a matter of centimeters even when he launched, that's always dangerous and especially when the finish is curving. Not too unlikely there would have been a crash even if Welsford hadn't stuck out his elbow, which is still a move that probably should have merited a DSQ as I don't believe that Welsford didn't know McLay was right on the other side of De Lie given that he was overtaking him.To be honest, the moment De Lie initiates his final kick the 'hole' was still big enough.
Not exactly Roglic-in-Liege. Roglic went past Alaphilippe when Alaphilippe celebrated (too early). The relegation of Alaphilippe was unrelated to him not actually winning.Welsford got relegated after all, so De Kleijn takes the win in Roglic-in-Liège fashion.
Look at the top left image in Ricco's post. McLay is far enough ahead that Welsford could, should and probably will have known that deviating left would push De Lie into McLay and yet he did so anyway.De Lie took a lot of risk because the gap was already very tight to begin with and probably to tight to make a move. Welsford clearly deviates a bit from his line, but not that much, sprinting entirely straight is quite hard.
I think all in all it’s a minor mistake from both and this is just a very unfortunate racing incident. Relegation is a bit harsh in my opinion. You can’t really expect every sprinter to sprint in a super straight line.
Hirschi and Pogacar both beat Roglic if Alaphilippe doesn't deviate into them, much like McLay and De Lie beat De Kleijn here if Welsford doesn't deviate into them. So very much like Roglic in Liège, in that it only happened due to a relegatable offence.Not exactly Roglic-in-Liege. Roglic went past Alaphilippe when Alaphilippe celebrated (too early). The relegation of Alaphilippe was unrelated to him not actually winning.
Yeah @Red Rick! Get to work.
I disagree partially. Because on the second picture contact has already been made, and so the position that Welsford is in there is not entirely of his own choice anymore. I just think this is one of those cases where some very small errors by two riders riders have resulted into a very unfortunate situation.Look at the top left image in Ricco's post. McLay is far enough ahead that Welsford could, should and probably will have known that deviating left would push De Lie into McLay and yet he did so anyway.
There's a case to be made that De Lie should also have been relegated for going into a stupidly tight gap, ultimately contributing to McLay and everyone behind them crashing too, but that fact changes the Welsford relegation from debatable into necessary, imo.
Maybe he is talking about the 2023 edition?Not exactly Roglic-in-Liege. Roglic went past Alaphilippe when Alaphilippe celebrated (too early). The relegation of Alaphilippe was unrelated to him not actually winning.
Yeah @Red Rick! Get to work.
I thought you meant in the sense of the relegation having causing Alaphilippe to not-win. As in a case where a rider crosses the line first, and then gets relegated.Hirschi and Pogacar both beat Roglic if Alaphilippe doesn't deviate into them, much like McLay and De Lie beat De Kleijn here if Welsford doesn't deviate into them. So very much like Roglic in Liège, in that it only happened due to a relegatable offence.
...but on the second picture, Welsford has already moved left. You don't need to be good at physics to be pretty sure that if De Lie had pushed Welsford he would have gone right instead so his position is very much his own choice there. The contact is due to Welsford's position, not the other way round.I disagree partially. Because on the second picture contact has already been made, and so the position that Welsford is in there is not entirely of his own choice anymore. I just think this is one of those cases where some very small errors by two riders riders have resulted into a very unfortunate situation.
Okay, that makes sense.I thought you meant in the sense of the relegation having causing Alaphilippe to not-win. As in a case where a rider crosses the line first, and then gets relegated.
So, errr... is everyone involved in the crash okay(ish)?
Once sprinters start making contact the obvious reaction is to lean into the other person a bit in order to stay up and maintaining the balance as a counter to the physics reaction you are writing about. You can try to convince me as much as you like, but I have watched it about 15 times now and I came to the conclusion that both riders have made minor errors here that are bound to happen in cycling....but on the second picture, Welsford has already moved left. You don't need to be good at physics to be pretty sure that if De Lie had pushed Welsford he would have gone right instead so his position is very much his own choice there. The contact is due to Welsford's position, not the other way round.