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Is the De La Cruz the best rider on soft climbs? Very very good on the 5% gradients diesel climbs.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Prepare to see some monster w/kg on Friday!


Monster but human, no human was in 2009.

Amazing and great victory for David de la Cruz. From the favourites, just Ion and Urán try it...people is maybe saving energies for the ITT.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Valv.Piti said:
Prepare to see some monster w/kg on Friday!


Monster but human, no human was in 2009.

Amazing and great victory for David de la Cruz. From the favourites, just Ion and Urán try it...people is maybe saving energies for the ITT.
They're saving energy for Arrate.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Its really just a waiting game this race, I hope they will mix it up in the future
I already told you before the race, yet you wanted to believe that today would be for gc-action ;)
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Taxus4a said:
Valv.Piti said:
Prepare to see some monster w/kg on Friday!


Monster but human, no human was in 2009.

Amazing and great victory for David de la Cruz. From the favourites, just Ion and Urán try it...people is maybe saving energies for the ITT.
They're saving energy for Arrate.
Also Valverde, Yates and Alaphilippe - three of the pre-stage favourites who may well have tried something - all had problems quite late in the day.
 
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Netserk said:
Valv.Piti said:
Its really just a waiting game this race, I hope they will mix it up in the future
I already told you before the race, yet you wanted to believe that today would be for gc-action ;)
Yeah, but to be fair that was before I saw the final climb in detail..
 
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Jspear said:
Where is Yates team?!

He had team-mates including Kreuziger trying to pace him back but he was a victim essentially of his own tactical lack of smarts. Whilst he was on ST as everyone else after first two stages, instead of trying to finish in reasonable proximity to the front like most GC men, he was tootling along at the pack. Hence the ORS team car was well back in the convoy which had the consequences of a significant delay getting to him today
 
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dirkprovin said:
Jspear said:
Where is Yates team?!

He had team-mates including Kreuziger trying to pace him back but he was a victim essentially of his own tactical lack of smarts. Whilst he was on ST as everyone else after first two stages, instead of trying to finish in reasonable proximity to the front like most GC men, he was tootling along at the pack. Hence the ORS team car was well back in the convoy which had the consequences of a significant delay getting to him today

Nailed it - Yates had three support riders Haig who gave him a tyre and Kreuziger and Verona who tried to pace him back to the peleton - In an ideal world Plaza and Power would still have been in the peleton to help him chase back though probably still unsuccessful - Of course all his team mates are much taller - In saying that he was no more than 15 seconds behind the peleton around 2/3 up the climb - My guess is he saved his energy for another day - He'll get his chance in stage 5 - Dirk use your influence to get McCarthy to Orica - he's a perfect fit for the team.
 
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yaco said:
dirkprovin said:
Jspear said:
Where is Yates team?!

He had team-mates including Kreuziger trying to pace him back but he was a victim essentially of his own tactical lack of smarts. Whilst he was on ST as everyone else after first two stages, instead of trying to finish in reasonable proximity to the front like most GC men, he was tootling along at the pack. Hence the ORS team car was well back in the convoy which had the consequences of a significant delay getting to him today

Nailed it - Yates had three support riders Haig who gave him a tyre and Kreuziger and Verona who tried to pace him back to the peleton - In an ideal world Plaza and Power would still have been in the peleton to help him chase back though probably still unsuccessful - Of course all his team mates are much taller - In saying that he was no more than 15 seconds behind the peleton around 2/3 up the climb - My guess is he saved his energy for another day - He'll get his chance in stage 5 - Dirk use your influence to get McCarthy to Orica - he's a perfect fit for the team.

Hhhmm, not 100% sure that I would agree with your last sentence. A very very talented rider without a doubt and I think its most likely that Gerrans collects his super at the end of this season but other than the early season AUS races, just where would he necessarily have precedence ?

Kreuziger likes Amstel; the Yates twins & possibly Chaves may've interests in the other Ardennes races (as may Albasini if he continues) along with Lombardie. Maybe the Laurentian races or Bretagne but not sure past that.

The other issue which is whether he would really gel with the teams GC campaigns at GTs & certain one weekers or whether he would prefer to be in a team where he has the freedom to do his own thing. Nothing wrong with him if the answer is the latter rather than the former; there are plenty of riders in that category. Do either of us know which he falls into ?
 
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dirkprovin said:
yaco said:
dirkprovin said:
Jspear said:
Where is Yates team?!

He had team-mates including Kreuziger trying to pace him back but he was a victim essentially of his own tactical lack of smarts. Whilst he was on ST as everyone else after first two stages, instead of trying to finish in reasonable proximity to the front like most GC men, he was tootling along at the pack. Hence the ORS team car was well back in the convoy which had the consequences of a significant delay getting to him today

Nailed it - Yates had three support riders Haig who gave him a tyre and Kreuziger and Verona who tried to pace him back to the peleton - In an ideal world Plaza and Power would still have been in the peleton to help him chase back though probably still unsuccessful - Of course all his team mates are much taller - In saying that he was no more than 15 seconds behind the peleton around 2/3 up the climb - My guess is he saved his energy for another day - He'll get his chance in stage 5 - Dirk use your influence to get McCarthy to Orica - he's a perfect fit for the team.

Hhhmm, not 100% sure that I would agree with your last sentence. A very very talented rider without a doubt and I think its most likely that Gerrans collects his super at the end of this season but other than the early season AUS races, just where would he necessarily have precedence ?

Kreuziger likes Amstel; the Yates twins & possibly Chaves may've interests in the other Ardennes races (as may Albasini if he continues) along with Lombardie. Maybe the Laurentian races or Bretagne but not sure past that.

The other issue which is whether he would really gel with the teams GC campaigns at GTs & certain one weekers or whether he would prefer to be in a team where he has the freedom to do his own thing. Nothing wrong with him if the answer is the latter rather than the former; there are plenty of riders in that category. Do either of us know which he falls into ?

McCarthy is your style of rider and he is a support rider - A utility rider who climbs well, can feature in a sprint lead out train and can sprint in uphill finishes - He is the replacement for Plaza.
 
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yaco said:
dirkprovin said:
yaco said:
dirkprovin said:
Jspear said:
Where is Yates team?!

He had team-mates including Kreuziger trying to pace him back but he was a victim essentially of his own tactical lack of smarts. Whilst he was on ST as everyone else after first two stages, instead of trying to finish in reasonable proximity to the front like most GC men, he was tootling along at the pack. Hence the ORS team car was well back in the convoy which had the consequences of a significant delay getting to him today

Nailed it - Yates had three support riders Haig who gave him a tyre and Kreuziger and Verona who tried to pace him back to the peleton - In an ideal world Plaza and Power would still have been in the peleton to help him chase back though probably still unsuccessful - Of course all his team mates are much taller - In saying that he was no more than 15 seconds behind the peleton around 2/3 up the climb - My guess is he saved his energy for another day - He'll get his chance in stage 5 - Dirk use your influence to get McCarthy to Orica - he's a perfect fit for the team.

Hhhmm, not 100% sure that I would agree with your last sentence. A very very talented rider without a doubt and I think its most likely that Gerrans collects his super at the end of this season but other than the early season AUS races, just where would he necessarily have precedence ?

Kreuziger likes Amstel; the Yates twins & possibly Chaves may've interests in the other Ardennes races (as may Albasini if he continues) along with Lombardie. Maybe the Laurentian races or Bretagne but not sure past that.

The other issue which is whether he would really gel with the teams GC campaigns at GTs & certain one weekers or whether he would prefer to be in a team where he has the freedom to do his own thing. Nothing wrong with him if the answer is the latter rather than the former; there are plenty of riders in that category. Do either of us know which he falls into ?

McCarthy is your style of rider and he is a support rider - A utility rider who climbs well, can feature in a sprint lead out train and can sprint in uphill finishes - He is the replacement for Plaza.

Oh, I most certainly acknowledge the credit side of his ledger and if he IS on the market come contract time of the year; I'd certainly be throwing a good offer his way !

What none of us know is whether he may actually want to go to ORS ... or whatever they may be named at the time ? Or do ORS hierarchy feel that he may not be a suitable mix personality wise ? Another hypothetical for which we have no real knowledge
 
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All I know is Orica is fussy when it comes to recruiting Australian riders - They like riders who have come through the AIS in which McCarthy fits the criteria - Maybe they don't rate McCarthy - Stryder or 42 may have more information.
 

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