57th Vuelta al Pais Vasco 3-8 April 2017

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Re:

Morality is just another tool of oppression.

Ehhhh what?! I'm sorry, but your statement is incoherent.

Morality concerns the distinction between good and bad behaviour and oppression is an unjust (i.e. bad, or dare I say, immoral) exercise of power. Given that oppression thus suggest some type of morality, you're basically saying morality is immoral.

 

[WheelofGear]

Some morality (but not too much) is needed for social stability. But don't tell me that you don't have some skeletons in the closet. We all have. We are humans after all.

 

[Velolover2]

Do you think the break will stay?

The Bird is in a good position.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Do you think the break will stay?

The Bird is in a good position.

Hell no, and if it does, Fuglsang will find a way to lose.

 

[Valv.Piti]

What a great race for Julian so far.

 

[Netserk]

Re: Re:

Morality is just another tool of oppression.

Ehhhh what?! I'm sorry, but your statement is incoherent.

Morality concerns the distinction between good and bad behaviour and oppression is an unjust (i.e. bad, or dare I say, immoral) exercise of power. Given that oppression thus suggest some type of morality, you're basically saying morality is immoral.

Oppression doesn't have to be immoral. That is just based on your morality

The purpose of morality is to sway people to act in a way they otherwise wouldn't have. Like in cycling when most of those in power wants to uphold the norm of 'fairness' in order to reduce the chaotic nature of racing, and thus increase the likelihood for the most powerful to be victorious.

Which in my opinion is fair game. It's just another tool of power in the battle of the wills. Maybe a better formulation would be that morality is just another exercise of power over others.

 

[GraftPunk]

Re:

What a great race for Julian so far.

Poor guy seems to be catching some bad luck in this one. Maybe it will put the proverbial 'fire in his belly' for the last few stages?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Re: Re:

Morality is just another tool of oppression.

Ehhhh what?! I'm sorry, but your statement is incoherent.

Morality concerns the distinction between good and bad behaviour and oppression is an unjust (i.e. bad, or dare I say, immoral) exercise of power. Given that oppression thus suggest some type of morality, you're basically saying morality is immoral.

Oppression doesn't have to be immoral. That is just based on your morality

The purpose of morality is to sway people to act in a way they otherwise wouldn't have. Like in cycling when most of those in power wants to uphold the norm of 'fairness' in order to reduce the chaotic nature of racing, and thus increase the likelihood for the most powerful to be victorious.

Which in my opinion is fair game. It's just another tool of power in the battle of the wills. Maybe a better formulation would be that morality is just another exercise of power over others.

I think it is an OT reference to Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morality

 

[Velolover2]

Movistar putting pressure on the peloton. Valverde wants the win?

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

Re: Re:

Oppression doesn't have to be immoral. That is just based on your morality

The purpose of morality is to sway people to act in a way they otherwise wouldn't have. Like in cycling when most of those in power wants to uphold the norm of 'fairness' in order to reduce the chaotic nature of racing, and thus increase the likelihood for the most powerful to be victorious.

Which in my opinion is fair game. It's just another tool of power in the battle of the wills. Maybe a better formulation would be that morality is just another exercise of power over others.

Well, "oppression", if you look it up in a dictionary, does in its definition have some notion of being, morally wrong, unjust, or however you want to put it.

Anyway your second formulation of this proposition is definitely a lot more lucid as far as I'm concerned. I still disagree with this type of deconstruction of morality, but given that this isn't the philosophy thread we'd better keep it at this, I guess.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Matthews seems to be wearing a loose snood.

 

[HelloDolly]

Will someone start and Morality & Cycling thread

 

[Netserk]

I guess, at the end of the day, it depends on wether or not one believes that there is an absolute authority regarding morality. I know we differ there

 

[Arredondo]

Bala to go mental on the last descent?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

What happened???????????/

Valverde loses his white bike

 

[therhodeo]

Valverde will have revenge for this.

 

[HelloDolly]

Yates too

 

[LaFlorecita]

Valverde's change was really quick, I fear for Yates though

 

[Valv.Piti]

Too bad Ala is way behind, he would have attacked for sure. Dno if Yates is up again.

 

[Velolover2]

Valverde looks a bit odd on this bike.

 

[Jspear]

Where is Yates team?!

 

[Velolover2]

De La Cruz will podium the Vuelta at some point.

 

[Velolover2]

Good to see that the guys are attacking.

 

[Velolover2]

Small group.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Matthews dropped