6 Olympic athletes positive for CERA

[Power13]

No. He was not informed of his first positive until well after the Olympics. I think all his CERA cases will be grouped into one offense.

I'm not certain about this....IIRC, Tyler would have been looking at a lifetime ban had his Olympic test been held up as positive.

 

[Zoncolan]

I'm watching the live feed of Tour de Romandie on sportitalia and the commentators are quoting Rebellin as saying: "My conscience is clear and I will use all my forces to prove my innocence"
How many times have we heard that?

 

[Power13]

I'm watching the live feed of Tour de Romandie on sportitalia and the commentators are quoting Rebellin as saying: "My conscience is clear and I will use all my forces to prove my innocence"
How many times have we heard that?

He is "tranquillo."

 

[Zoncolan]

He is "tranquillo."

Well, he's 38, got a great palmares, was going to retire anyway, so he doesn't really give a FYCK!
That was one of the things that p!ssed me off the most about Ricco: "I'm only 24, so in two years I'll be back stronger"
Very small chance of getting caught+small punishment+great potential rewards=doping

 

[ElChingon]

So if Shumi tested positive at the Tour and Olympics does that mean the B sample is moot? I mean two positives from two different testing authorities, why is there a need for a B sample test?

How Shumi will fight this is going to be interesting, maybe he's seeking advice from VDB? He better act fast though.

 

[Cloxxki]

Another rider caught who's face I just don't like. I'm getting a feel for this cheater recognizing...

I always say: cyclist are composed of 2 types of person: farmers and intellectuals. Not meaning to insult actual farmers, BTW, farmer's logic is a great good.
I just don't understand why pro cyclists seem to order their doping with the paper headlines in hand. "Oh, this ricco fellow nicely disappeared into the distance the day they caught him on CERA, I'll have some of that then, I could use that kind of boost".
Double stupid is to later NOT use CERA, and turn out to be unbeatable anyway. Then why dope in the first place?

Schumacher, I suppose, was injected with CERA when he thought he was getting something else (normal EPO, or another person's clean blood?), so he'd obviously to be regarded as innocent, the poor boy.

 

[Anonymous]

<BIG SIGH...!!!> You wanna believe in these guys but how can you? Especially with the doping culture changing in recent years... IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO CHEAT ANYMORE!!

 

[Power13]

So if Shumi tested positive at the Tour and Olympics does that mean the B sample is moot? I mean two positives from two different testing authorities, why is there a need for a B sample test?

How Shumi will fight this is going to be interesting, maybe he's seeking advice from VDB? He better act fast though.

two different "A" positives does not negate the need to check the "B" samples in both cases.

Gotta cross the "i's" and dot the "t's".

 

[Power13]

Another rider caught who's face I just don't like. I'm getting a feel for this cheater recognizing...

Guess we can do away with the dope test....Cioxxki can apparently just pick 'em out of a line-up.

 

[meno1074]

Sigh.... I so wanted to believe in Rebellin. He was a gutsy that was still relevent in his late 30's and guys in their prime need to respect him. IT was always there, in the back of my mind, "maybe he isn't a special athlete, maybe he's just cheating." I'll probably never learn, With the Green Bullet in trouble to I just don't know who to root for. Oh, well maybe I'll just go riding instead of watching the races.

 

[Baggins27]

This is so so disappointing.


I try and fight off the thoughts about who is cheating and who isn't. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. But after the Tour last year and this, it really p!sses you off doesn't it?

I hugely enjoyed last years Olympics. I enjoyed Fleche the other week. And then you find out that the results aren't actually true and one of the main protaganists was cheating. Absolutely shocking and really makes it hard to be a cycling fan at times.

Stop cheating, you idiots.

 

[ElChingon]

two different "A" positives does not negate the need to check the "B" samples in both cases.

Gotta cross the "i's" and dot the "t's".

Well as for me I say, he's definitely Non-Negative.

I don't need the B sample tested.

 

[MoonrakerSaint]

Sigh.... I so wanted to believe in Rebellin. He was a gutsy that was still relevent in his late 30's and guys in their prime need to respect him. IT was always there, in the back of my mind, "maybe he isn't a special athlete, maybe he's just cheating." I'll probably never learn, With the Green Bullet in trouble to I just don't know who to root for. Oh, well maybe I'll just go riding instead of watching the races.

We can believe in Nicole Cooke 100%

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that there is still a lot of riders doping. Just doping less than a few years ago. Some guys are clean, yes. But a big problem is all the false negatives in testing. As long as riders can microdose or mask, if there is any benefit to doping, and they get easy access and assistance to doping products, and there's a reasonable chance they won't get caught, they'll continue to dope. Rebellin and Schumacher (assuming it's him) were just foolish enough to use Cera.

Schumacher, if he's really the other rider, must have an IQ ten points lower than Richard Vireuque. Unbelievable.

Don't think cycling is the only sport with the problem for one second. Everyone wanted to tar and feather Jose Canseco when Juiced! came out claiming that steroid and HGH use was rampant in baseball; called him a liar, fabricator, and everything else. And yet, pretty much everything he said has come true. Baseball's as dirty as cycling. So are most other sports. Mr. Tibbs is right, we at least try to catch our guys.

Kjetilraknerud - Your English is fine and your thoughts are welcome. Keep on posting.

Ingsve's comments on XC skiing ring very true in retrospect. If you want a real look at XC skiing's issue, go back to the 2002 Olympics where winner Johann Mühlegg was doped on EPO, and Per Elofsson, who was completely anti-doping, the Giles Delion of his sport, was not, but finished 5th. After the positive test, it made sense that Per raced as well as he did, and it only made sense that Mühlegg - who should have finished about 20th, performed the way he did.

 

[ElChingon]

I don't see what throwing another sport under the bus gains cycling. Its happening in cycling and cycling is doing something at the very least and not sitting idle by the sidelines. Sure things could be better and improved but that is taking time and of course money. Cycling has not lost the battle, it is fighting and clawing its way through it. The other sport have not only lost it but have never even bothered to enter the battle, they continue to ignore it and will be the big losers in the end. Sure it may take time but the inevitable will happen and the small strides taken now by cycling will be the benefits reaped later. Benefits as in having a more solid and honest competition.

Those who have given up will only end up at the bottom of the scrap heap later on. That includes some of the posters here. Meanwhile the fight continues.

 

[Anonymous]

This is so so disappointing.
I enjoyed Fleche the other week. And then you find out that the results aren't actually true and one of the main protaganists was cheating.

unless you know something we dont he did not test positive after fleche, so the assumption must be made that he won fleche fair and square... so.. why does it change anything..

i am working on the assumption the gerolsteiner all had access to cera last year, and as soon as schumaker got caught they all pretty rapidly stopped using it and went hiding while it got out of theres system..

i suppose the problem is, if someone had the mentality to use cera last year, whos to say they arent using his years unknown drug noW...?

 

[ElChingon]

The Gerolsteiner Team (not the water) most likely is also connected to the German Sports Center that we've heard has some issues going on at the moment.

From the German site (but in English), lengthy read but worth it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,621414,00.html

 

[Baggins27]

unless you know something we dont he did not test positive after fleche, so the assumption must be made that he won fleche fair and square... so.. why does it change anything..

i am working on the assumption the gerolsteiner all had access to cera last year, and as soon as schumaker got caught they all pretty rapidly stopped using it and went hiding while it got out of theres system..

i suppose the problem is, if someone had the mentality to use cera last year, whos to say they arent using his years unknown drug noW...?

To be honest my friend, the fact he cheated at the Olympics puts a huge question mark over the Fleche result (and many others besides) in my book.

I trust all the riders until they get caught doping. Then that trust is lost forever. Just the way I feel and I'm sure not everyone agrees.

 

[Anonymous]

Scenario 1:

We'll get the Musseeuw confession. No, no, no, maybe, yes, yes, because I was old and still hungered for more, yes, and it was actually really easy to come by.


Scenario 5:

?

taking it for depression..

 

[Bala Verde]

i suppose the problem is, if someone had the mentality to use cera last year, whos to say they arent using his years unknown drug noW...?

The new kid in town is called 'hematide'. It's in the clinical test phase, and although it is uncertain it will be approved and released soon, I suppose it's already available in the underground/black market scene. The laboratories are probably already looking into it, trying to design tests to detect it...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

For blood boosters, yes. Here's a link to Hematide info.

If you'd like to write to them, asking them to cooperate with WADA in helping the drug not be used for doping, write here: info@affymax.com

Of course, gene doping, from Repoxygen to stem-cell gene therapy, though hard to attain perhaps, is here as well.

Anyone who thinks this isn't happening now in some sports, probably even cycling, is naive.

 

[Anonymous]

i do wonder what will stop it.. perhaps an adverse reaction during a race to a "triall" drug that results in a rider death or something (sounds grim i know)

any suggestions..

joking aside though, if there are riders, who are willing to push the boundaries of drugs, start playing with drugs that are in testing phase, eventually, there is going to be pretty dire consequences for someone..

maybe that would be the wake up call they need.. but then i suppose "it wouldnt happen to my syndrome" would kick in..

 

[RichieNZ]

How about... just for once... the other Olympic 'stars' found out are 'named and shamed' instead of just the cyclists.
Does anyone know who the track athletes or wieght-lifter was??
Does anyone even care?
Nope...
Its just easier to pick on the cyclists isn't it.
Anyone remember the likes of Ben Johnson, Lynford Christie , Carl Lewis and Flo-Jo???

 

[Bala Verde]

How about... just for once... the other Olympic 'stars' found out are 'named and shamed' instead of just the cyclists.
Does anyone know who the track athletes or wieght-lifter was??
Does anyone even care?
Nope...
Its just easier to pick on the cyclists isn't it.
Anyone remember the likes of Ben Johnson, Lynford Christie , Carl Lewis and Flo-Jo???

Did you read the thread or only the last posts?

 

[BikeCentric]

unless you know something we dont he did not test positive after fleche, so the assumption must be made that he won fleche fair and square... so.. why does it change anything..

i am working on the assumption the gerolsteiner all had access to cera last year, and as soon as schumaker got caught they all pretty rapidly stopped using it and went hiding while it got out of theres system..

i suppose the problem is, if someone had the mentality to use cera last year, whos to say they arent using his years unknown drug noW...?

Though Tin Tin CANNED probably did win Fleche "clean" there is one thing to keep in mind about any kind of doping: it allows your body to go harder than it ever could have without the drug(s) in training and racing, resulting in positive adapations that never could have occurred without the doping. Thus there are long-term effects of increased performance that remain even after the rider gets off the go-juice.

Yes, it truly does SUCK for any of these poor *******s that are trying to make a go at racing clean at the top level.