85th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 12th - 19th 2022

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I actually would be happy for G. Thomas if he wins the overall. He‘s good, and often fought back after having had bad luck. He is not the most spectacular one, but is a strong, solid rider.

The great thing is, who ever wins this, I‘m glad for him. In today's races, the pelotons are full of likeable riders. It‘s easy to cheer for these guys.

Hats off to Pozzovivo, Jungels (he‘s back!) and Leknessund, who are in current Top-10 overall.
 
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Escarabajo said:
It is very hard to make anything of all the races like this one. The best conclusion to make is by using all the data from the past year.
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At least the Dauphine podium featured riders that finished high in the Tour last season all of whom seem to be on track again for the Tour and they mostly avoided the Covid issues unlike this race.
 
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bob.a.feet said:
Meintjes has three, Thomas has two. That is my point - despite his exceptional peak, Thomas often finds a way to not get results in GTs. The fact that the five riders you mentioned have only one less top ten despite being ten years younger than him further illustrates that point.
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It's not a very good point, is it? His two top 10s actually being 1st and 2nd in the Tour...
 
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Red Rick said:
He's obviously better than Meintjes but it also illustrates Thomas as an overachiever at the Tour.
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Maybe, but it's always crashes that end his chances, isn't it? Plus, he only ever does one GT.

2015 Tour was his first stab at a GT. He was 4th until stage 19 and then cracked, so that wasn't due to a crash.

In 2016, I honestly don't remember much of what he was doing. Maybe he was focusing on the Rio Olympics road race more than being at peak for the Tour?

In the 2017 Giro he crashed into the moto before the Blockhaus. In the Tour he was in yellow initially but crashed out on stage 9 when Majka took him out on a descent.

In 2018, he won the Tour.

In 2019, he was second in the Tour.

In 2020, he crashed out of the Giro on stage 4 in a freak accident where he hit a bottle, and he didn't do the Tour.

In 2021, he crashed early in the Tour again because he wasn't paying attention and got injured enough to not be able to go for GC.
 
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tobydawq said:
Maybe, but it's always crashes that end his chances, isn't it? Plus, he only ever does one GT.

2015 Tour was his first stab at a GT. He was 4th until stage 19 and then cracked, so that wasn't due to a crash.

In 2016, I honestly don't remember much of what he was doing. Maybe he was focusing on the Rio Olympics road race more than being at peak for the Tour?

In the 2017 Giro he crashed into the moto before the Blockhaus. In the Tour he was in yellow initially but crashed out on stage 9 when Majka took him out on a descent.

In 2018, he won the Tour.

In 2019, he was second in the Tour.

In 2020, he crashed out of the Giro on stage 4 in a freak accident where he hit a bottle, and he didn't do the Tour.

In 2021, he crashed early in the Tour again because he wasn't paying attention and got injured enough to not be able to go for GC.
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Kelderman hit the moto, Thomas was brought down as a result.
 
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He was a classics rider until age 29, and he crashed out of most of those when it mattered too. Like with people like Igor Antón, there's just too much of a pattern to say it's "just bad luck" and that there isn't some element of a lack of skill regarding placement, positioning and handling for him to always be the contender caught up in those crashes.
 
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according to the race bulletin, Evenepoel will wear the white jersey today. I guess it must be a mistake though, as Leknessund is 2nd in that classification, and not Norwegian champion anymore (which would mean it goes to 3rd)
 
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tobydawq said:
Maybe, but it's always crashes that end his chances, isn't it? Plus, he only ever does one GT.

2015 Tour was his first stab at a GT. He was 4th until stage 19 and then cracked, so that wasn't due to a crash.

In 2016, I honestly don't remember much of what he was doing. Maybe he was focusing on the Rio Olympics road race more than being at peak for the Tour?

In the 2017 Giro he crashed into the moto before the Blockhaus. In the Tour he was in yellow initially but crashed out on stage 9 when Majka took him out on a descent.

In 2018, he won the Tour.

In 2019, he was second in the Tour.

In 2020, he crashed out of the Giro on stage 4 in a freak accident where he hit a bottle, and he didn't do the Tour.

In 2021, he crashed early in the Tour again because he wasn't paying attention and got injured enough to not be able to go for GC.
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I think he's the TdF winner with the weakest GT/GC palmares by a considerable margin since Pereiro, and I think there's a healthy amount of better GT riders who haven't won the Tour de France.

You can blame bad luck for his lack fo results outside of 2018-2019 but he had his fair share of circumstances going for him in 2018-2019.
 
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Armchair cyclist said:
Not if you haven't got internet we can't.
Are you asking us to physically track you down in the wilderness with a race report?

And how did you post the request to the internet anyway?
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I'm camping in a remote area, occasionally you get Internet on a hilltop or in a cafe , so I could see the results but not understand the race situation. I heard Fausto got in the breakaway but had bad legs :(. And that's it
 
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RedheadDane said:
I dunno if I hope Thomas makes the podium now, or really hope he doesn't...
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If Richie Porte can finish third in a Tour in his mid thirties, that puts quite a few riders including Thomas in the picture although some would argue that Porte always had more raw ability than Thomas and race craft isn't a strong point for either rider. Plus Thomas was team leading at Sky/Ineos while Porte's team leading years were at Trek and BM.C. The difference in team quality is noted. I tend to think that Thomas is edging closer to the territory of an older GC candidate who has seen better days. Still good enough to win a one week stage race and compete for a top 5 at the Tour. I still think O'Connor and Haig could finish ahead of him and they also tend to avoid crashes more than Thomas but the TT is still a strength for him over the other two. Porte's best GC years were wasted opportunities, at least Thomas got his grand tour win. Pinot's career is quite similar to Porte's, one podium in the last seven seasons. the best he can probably hope for now is a late career podium when no one expects it, although at age 32 he still has some time on his side if his body and mind can keep it together.
 
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