86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

[BR2]

Uran also pretty good after not being good yesterday. I suppose in addition to some people having spent more yesterday there's a big difference in how these guys handle steep and irregular gradients vs. steady climbs.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I expect fireworks tomorrow tbh, don't think anyone can be overly confident about sealing the deal in the TT and the two people who might be have been dropped on almost every climb so far.

 

[Squire]

I think she doesn't add anything but she's bearable as she's not talking *** with the biggest self-confidence.

This. She's very close to joining Kirby as the second person on my insta-mute/not watch list, but at least she seems new to commentary and seems to be humble enough that she might improve.

 

[search]

Powless 15th ???

but he won a watch

 

[Aimar16]

Remco looked like a fat little kid next to Ayuso

 

[Netserk]

So Bambi lost more than 20'' to Skjelmose's group on the descent. Must be because of covid, right?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Stage

 

[Andre]

Remco riding smart and very good climbing. He will still probably win the overall

 

[BR2]

So Bambi lost more than 20'' to Skjelmose's group on the descent. Must be because of covid, right?

He was actually descending well the past days, I have no idea what it depends on.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Here come the spin doctors. But there's a thread for that.

View: https://youtu.be/wsdy_rct6uo

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It's true he's not in Giro shape, but nevertheless hardly makes the case he's going to get to a level where he's competitive with Ving and Pog at the top of the GC heap. And I'm a fan, not a hater.

It makes no case either way, it can not be used as a reference.

 

[titan31]

46 seconds back on GC for Remco, and 28 seconds on Ayuso. In normal form, this is probably done and Remco will win the TT by enough, but atm, could end up 3rd (he's passing Gall on current time gaps)

 

[Mayomaniac]

He was actually descending well the past days, I have no idea what it depends on.

Probably fatigue.

 

[Andy schleck]

Ayuso is a beast, and he will be a better grand tour rider than pogacar.

 

[dercuforever]

Remco riding smart and very good climbing. He will still probably win the overall

With the Giro form, no doubt. Here and now, I wouldnt be so sure he can take 20+ sec to Ayuso and almost 1min to Skjelmose.

 

[Big Doopie]

It's true he's not in Giro shape, but nevertheless hardly makes the case he's going to get to a level where he's competitive with Ving and Pog at the top of the GC heap. And I'm a fan, not a hater.

totally fair.

no idea how he will eventually do against vingo and pog.

but judging him on today as if it is final potential is simply ridiculous. how was pog at san sebastian last year? should we judge him on that? should we judge Vingo only on Paris-Nice this year?

Remco is the only one who is judged on every single performance, no matter whether he had Covid, hasn't been to altitude recently, had ten days off the bike.

and people wonder why he doesn't want to go to the TDF in ill-prepared...

 

[Faserr]

That will be an interesting final TT.

 

[Andy schleck]

Remco even in bad shape will win the race.

 

[theyoungest]

No idea who the woman commentator is but she makes Hatch, Blythe, Kirby etc look competent

She's Jip van den Bos, a pro on hiatus. In Dutch she's quite good, but her English is just too poor to really add anything to Eurosport UK.

 

[Gigs_98]

I think Skjelmose has by far the best chance to win from here. I can't see Evenepoel in this shape gaining 46 seconds in a 25km TT and Skjelmose gained time on Ayuso on stage 1 so I think he should be able to keep him behind too. Not over yet but I think Skjelmose is in a very good position now.

 

[HelloDolly]

Probably fatigue.

fatigue that doesnt effect his sprinting and TTing ?? emmmm

 

[Mayomaniac]

Also, we shouldn't underestimate tomorrow's stage. It's not that easy, the final is tricky and some guys need to put more time between them and Remco.

 

[Volderke]

What an incredibly weird race. Three mountain stages and three completely different power dynamics. I really feel sorry for Gall who was the most consistently strong climber these last three days and will most likely not even finish this Tour on the podium.

I feel sorry for no one:
Skjelmose, Gall and Ayuso are currently 1-2-3 and have all won a stage.
If Gall wanted to really win the overall, he should have followed Ayuso, as he needed all the possible extra time anyway for the TT (on Skjelmose, Evenepoel)
Evenpoel is 4th and can win the overall, and if he doesn't, he's simply not worth it.

So everybody will go home with a prize he deserves.

 

[Mayomaniac]

fatigue that doesnt effect his sprinting and TTing ?? emmmm

Nah, I mean that his cornering/overall descending skills aren't up there once he's cooked. More mental fatigue and making mistakes once you're suffering.

 

[Gigs_98]

I feel sorry for no one:
Skjelmose, Gall and Ayuso are currently 1-2-3 and have all won a stage.
If Gall wanted to really win the overall, he should have followed Ayuso, as he needed all the possible extra time anyway for the TT (on Skjelmose, Evenepoel)
Evenpoel is 4th and can win the overall, and if he doesn't, he's simply not worth it.

So everybody will go home with a prize he deserves.

Yeah I wonder why he didn't just do that