86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

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I really don't understand this at all. I mean, when "the timing for the overall classification takes place already 18.8 kilometers before the finish" there obviously will be more attacks than before. Why wouldn't those guys go for the stage win as well then, leading actually to more risks taken on the descent (in front and behind).
 
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I really don't understand this at all. I mean, when "the timing for the overall classification takes place already 18.8 kilometers before the finish" there obviously will be more attacks than before. Why wouldn't those guys go for the stage win as well then, leading actually to more risks taken on the descent (in front and behind).
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I don't think it makes it more dangerous, just the same.

The way the GC is, both Ayuso and Gall (probably Bilbao too) were sure to go all out up that climb anyway, the only difference is they would probably have a guy out in front, to take them to the line after the summit.
 
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Not sure if the decision to take the time on top of tha last climb for GC, but then decide on the stage winner at the finish line, makes the stage/race more save...
As most of you said before, the GC guys like Gall or Ayuso are going to make the Otteneberg climb fast and I can'T imagine that the are going to wait for the dropped sprinters on the top.

Also, if there's a break thery are for sure going for the win, it a WT race...so that won't make the descent any safer....

Honestly I think there were only two options - either to cancel the rest of the TdS (Gall actually saidto Auatrian media he would cancel the rest of the TdS - that would be the only right thing to do) or to continue as planned.

But trying to come up with this kind of compromise...not sure it that really helps.
 
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RedheadDane

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Lequack said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wHLXOP-Woo
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That must actually have been kind of a weird situation for him to be in. I guess as race leader he was expected to be among the people to, well, basically ignore his own emotions and talk to the press. But he's also just 22, and leading a WT race for the first time. I think he managed quite fine, apart - maybe - from the slight outburst towards that journalist...

I also think a little bit of praise for the organisation is in order. Not for the changes of today's stage - I really have no opinion about that - but for managing to organise a tribute on such short notice. I know the stage got delayed, and had already been delayed due to the landslide, but they still found a way in a rather short space of time. Of course the sad part is that one of the reasons they were able to do that is that they "just" had to look at the examples of TdP 2019 and Giro 2011...
 
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I don't see what difference it makes to have a finish at the bottom, or a finish at the bottom with times taken at the top. I can understand the optics aren't great when the first stage back immediately has a descent to the finish as well, but this is a compromise that doesn't help anyone. What are the guys who reach the top first going to do? Wait until the sprinters are back on?
 
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stetre76 said:
Not sure if the decision to take the time on top of tha last climb for GC, but then decide on the stage winner at the finish line, makes the stage/race more save...
As most of you said before, the GC guys like Gall or Ayuso are going to make the Otteneberg climb fast and I can'T imagine that the are going to wait for the dropped sprinters on the top.

Also, if there's a break thery are for sure going for the win, it a WT race...so that won't make the descent any safer....

Honestly I think there were only two options - either to cancel the rest of the TdS (Gall actually saidto Auatrian media he would cancel the rest of the TdS - that would be the only right thing to do) or to continue as planned.

But trying to come up with this kind of compromise...not sure it that really helps.
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From a sentimental perspective if they cancel the rest of the TdS, then they should have cancelled the rest of the 95 Tour after Fabio Casartelli died descending the Col de Portet-d'Aspet, but they didn't. I'm well aware that 2023 is different than 1995, however, I'm confident the course of action and message conveyed under similar circumstances would be the same today as in 95: namely, the Tour is more important than a rider's life. Not even Casartelli's team, US Postal, pulled out as Bahrein has done today. And then a Armstrong went on to make his dramatic celestial salute to honor the fallen Italian. But had it been another team rider, had it been Armstrong, would Postal have continued in that Tour?

The point is I would want all races to be cancelled (or not) after such a tragedy, not some continued while others not. It's a matter of consistency in praxis. Otherwise it only shows that economic interests ("the show must go on") prevail over considerations for the loss of a life.
 
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I suppose this was not the intention of the organizers, but I think this change will make the race more interesting and more fun.

With a few tweaks about the bonus seconds, I would like to see other races try this for at least one stage.
 
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Honestly I feel they should just cancel this year's race out of respect. Yesterday was a somber moment and a mourning stage, and they should leave it at that. Continuing the race would just show that "the show must go on", no matter what.
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There's really nothing to be gained by this. It's not as bad as the NFL wanting players to get straight back to playing after watching someone almost die right in front of them recently, but I still don't see the point.
 
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Does that mean their are no boni second on the finish line/sprint? because i think that will be the biggest differentiator for the GC people.

If you arrive at the top with the same time, you can still loose 13 seconds if you play it 'safe'. Given the current standings in GC, 13s for either of the top3 can make the difference between 1st place and 3rd place.
 
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Unless I am totally misreading the situation, the accident was that Mader (and Sheffield before him) had was to "undershoot" the bend: they went off on the inside of the bend. Much more unusual, and not something where padding is an issue. I wonder whether that right hand margin (the darker tarmac) is more steeply cambered than the main road, and sopitches riders towards the inside.
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It depends on your perspective. As far as I understand, it seems that they overshot the long left bend because it is way longer and in the end becomes more curved than you might initially expect. The road takes a slight right turn immediately after this left bend, so then in some way it looks like they "undershot" the right bend.
 
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