86th Tour de Suisse (2.UWT) // June 11th - 18th 2023

[EddyMazzoleni]

We'll probably learn more about this once the police investigation has concluded, but there was a roadside parking area less than 50 metres after where Sheffield and Mäder went off the road, I would guess that is where they would have parked. Cannot imagine a DS leaving their car parked on the road in the middle of a curve on a descent unless they had no choice.

I was responding to comments that advocated for riders taking less risk in general. I agree with the idea of putting some form of signal in front of dangerous corners.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I was responding to comments that advocated for riders taking less risk in general. I agree with the idea of putting some form of signal in front of dangerous corners.

I didn't respond to your post, or do you have two accounts on here?

 

[staubsauger]

I also recall another rider mentioning seeing 'two bikes' at the side of the road as he came past just after they crashed, if there was a car forcing people to take evasive action at that point I'm pretty sure it would have come in for a lot of scrutiny already.

Anyway, hesitant to draw too many conclusions about such an emotive issue with limited information, such a difficult day.

Roland Thalmann, exactly!

 

[Aimar16]

What is the point of a descent finish then? Might as well finish on top.

The reality is that this could happen just as easily in the middle of a stage. Some rider who gets dropped on a climb in the middle of a stage will be racing to catch on again.

I think the descending is a nice skill. Why punish someone who is good at it?

Of course, this can also happen in the middle of the stage, but generally the biggest risks are taken at the end of the stage and towards the end of the stage are the bigger mountains which make for longer descents

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I didn't respond to your post, or do you have two accounts on here?

Primus should change their lyrics to "too many Eddies".

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

I didn't respond to your post, or do you have two accounts on here?

No, i wanted to respond to Hrotha who responded to one of my post, but scrolling through the page a clicked on yours because you quoted Eddy Evenepoel and when I saw Eddy I went for the reply button. In fact my respons doesn't really have anything to do with your post

 

[QueenStagiaire]

This is quite the tough sad procession they have to do with the climbs.

 

[search]

If the second red line was Mäders there're 2 options only.

Either Mäder hit that corner with way to much speed and straightly shoot out of it like a Carrera car.

Or there was a parked Ineos team car and the only way to avoid it with the power coming into that section was to steer past it on the right.

there are some pictures on Alamy, and the only Ineos car visible there has no bikes on the roof. So I'd think it's most likely that their team car didn't even notice the crash, and therefor also didn't stop.

The people shown with Sheffield are from Bahrain (black jacket, white Castore logo) as well, not Ineos.

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[Ricco']

They took down footage of yesterday’s stage from GCN and only show a few seconds of the descent in highlights now.

From Eurosport site also and I don't even find the highlights there.

To be fair, I don't get Eurosport search function as it's very difficult to search for on demand races (specially those that happened more than a week ago), but I think it's an exaggerated reaction as yesterday's footage doesn't show or shed any light whatsoever into the unfortunate events that happened or are in any way disrespectful to Gino's memory (at least for me). If the fatal crash had happened while being recorded for live cameras, sure, deleting that part or even the whole stage was reasonable, but I can't understand this line of thinking.

 

[titan31]

Poor Price Pejtersen seems to be taking it hard. Looks a wreck any time the camera is on him

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

People at roadside don't seem to know what they should do: I think I recall a constant accompaniment of polite applause on the Wouter Weyland memorial ride, which to my mind would be more appropriate.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I hope that teams don't travel from race to race with a box of black armbands: They probably had time to send a soigneur out to a shop this morning.

 

[Boehmand]

They routinely do exactly that when they put a guy waving a flag at danger spots. That's what the conversation should be focusing on if you ask me - ways to better mark potentially dangerous turns in descents, and realistic safety measures for particularly dangerous ravines and cliffs. Banning downhill finishes out of some misguided safety concerns would be bad and hypocritical.

Also the point isn't to can "ask" riders to go slower at danger spots - the point is to warn them of danger spots, so they can make informed decisions themselves (even if that is to ignore the danger).

 

[Izzyeviel]

Not gonna lie, I cried.

 

[titan31]

Hopefully someone gets Price Pejtersen some help. I'm going to take they were good friends as he looks in bad shape.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Waking up to this horrible news. RIP Gino, a tremendous racer and by all accounts, an even better person.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Commentator speaking as though the tribute ride like today's are a controversial matter. I find them very moving and absolutely appropriate: a valued tradition that I don't want to see dropped, but obviously hope to never see again. But I have probably watched more of it this afternoon that I would have done if the stage had been ridden as would be expected .

Perhaps it would have been nice if they had let the Swiss guys form a little group behind the Bahrain group. There had been a powerful picture of Bissegger, Kung and Dillier sharing an embrace from earlier in the day.

 

[HelloDolly]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669689187560300546

View: https://twitter.com/rrkpierre/status/1669689187560300546?s=20

 

[JosefK]

Today's ride was beautiful, incredibly sad, and very fitting. I hope Gino's loved ones can find some comfort among themselves and the extended cycling family.

 

[HelloDolly]

I feel for the Bahrain Riders and others who loved Gino

How can they start a Tour in 2 weeks while processing this tragic loss

But mostly I feel for his parents and loved ones ....we will all move on but they never will

 

[kingjr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669689187560300546

View: https://twitter.com/rrkpierre/status/1669689187560300546?s=20

Looking at it, it seems quite feasible that a rider would just overshoot that corner.

 

[meat puppet]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1669689187560300546

View: https://twitter.com/rrkpierre/status/1669689187560300546?s=20

First things first, a terrible accident and RIP Mäder. What can one say, what a waste.

Also I think this video shows that although the bend in and of itself may not appear THAT dangerous on the map and at lower speeds, when racing it at full speed, the margins are just really, really thin.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

someone mention here that vehicles might have stopped in panic after Schefield went off the road and maybe, just maybe ,surprised him enough coming into the turn and forded(!?) him to brake..
i dont know.. just trying to wrap my head around the whole thing..
just awful....

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Bicycles imo just aren't safe at 90 km/h, with the tiny tires, flimsy (compared to motorcycles) materials, narrow forks etc. Going that speed even on a high tech road bike is madness to me.

This. Light bikes, narrow tyres, narrow handlebars, aggressive geometry etc are great for going fast, but going at heavy motor vehicle speeds is something else entirely. The stability and grip just disappears and you're left extremely vulnerable.

 

[staubsauger]

there are some pictures on Alamy, and the only Ineos car visible there has no bikes on the roof. So I'd think it's most likely that their team car didn't even notice the crash, and therefor also didn't stop.

The people shown with Sheffield are from Bahrain (black jacket, white Castore logo) as well, not Ineos.

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There stands an Ineos car actually. If you look at the delineator left of it, that looks like exactly the place where Mäder got off the road doesn't it?

Hopefully I'm just totally wrong on this!