A Dave Millar thread

[gillan1969]

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Al Capone to mentor gang members on dangers of tax evasion

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/11/david-millar-mentor-british-cycling-anti-doping

don't do it...otherwise you too could end up with high salary/maserati/sleb status etc etc etc

He's living a nightmare..a lesson for all youngsters

meanwhile, Nicole, the clean British Cycling athlete is...........................

 

[sniper]

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the ONLY reason I can see that the sport cleaned up 5 years ago and the ONLY reason that everyone claims to have stopped doping in 2006 is because of the Operacion Puerto bust.

Puerto was a part of it. As was Landis. What followed was what really forced change, the Rasmussen thing and all the others. The German sponsors in particular withdrawing was what pushed the teams to press for the passport and agree a sort of ceasefire.

 

[sniper]

Re:

Al Capone to mentor gang members on dangers of tax evasion

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/11/david-millar-mentor-british-cycling-anti-doping

pretty much.

sarcasm aside, millar is in fact an expert on tax evasion.

 

[Benotti69]

The Circus continues.........

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Shane Sutton:

“Having someone of David’s calibre on board to support us in this education process is invaluable; he is readily available to share his well-rounded experiences as a professional cyclist to the young riders who aspire to succeed in their careers."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/david-millar-takes-on-mentor-role-at-british-cycling/

Shooting up kinda calibre?

Millar was dining in a restaurant with Dave Brailsford in Bidart, near Biarritz, on 23 June 2004 when he was approached by three plainclothes policemen of the Paris drug squad[citation needed] at 8.25pm. They took Millar's watch, shoelaces, jewellery, keys and phone. After two and a half hours they found empty phials of Eprex, a brand of the blood-boosting drug EPO, and two used syringes. Millar said he had been given them as a gift at the Tour of Spain, that he had taken them to Manchester and used them. After that he had kept them as a souvenir. The detectives took Millar to the prison in Biarritz and put him alone in a cell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Millar#2004:_Doping

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

Al Capone to mentor gang members on dangers of tax evasion

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/11/david-millar-mentor-british-cycling-anti-doping

pretty much.

sarcasm aside, millar is in fact an expert on tax evasion.

Nah he got caught doing that as well.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Al Capone to mentor gang members on dangers of tax evasion

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/11/david-millar-mentor-british-cycling-anti-doping

pretty much.

sarcasm aside, millar is in fact an expert on tax evasion.

Nah he got caught doing that as well.

Millar is such a winner at being a loser. But someone somewhere likes him. F....knows why, he appears so dislikable and so far up his own @r$ehole.

 

[Freddythefrog]

http://road.cc/content/news/178485-vin-cox-resigns-british-cycling-over-david-millar-role

Some have standards. Well done Vin.

 

[dwyatt]

Re:

Al Capone to mentor gang members on dangers of tax evasion

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/11/david-millar-mentor-british-cycling-anti-doping

I'm no big fan of millar, but it is pretty common for say ex gang members to mentor young people on the dangers of criminal gangs, or ex drug addicts to mentor people on the dangers of drug additction.

 

[sniper]

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http://road.cc/content/news/178485-vin-cox-resigns-british-cycling-over-david-millar-role

Some have standards. Well done Vin.

YES WE CAN.

*** me, it's been a long f*cking wait for somebody to stand up like this.

Very well done indeed.

"he had a career that his clean peers never had a chance because they never cheated."

 

[sniper]

by the way, it's also only just now that I read that the u23 training base where Millar is supposed to be working is back in *** Tuscany, right there where he and his friend Sciandri and Ellingworth and Brailsford were setting up british doping infrastructures back in 2005/6/7, with Sassi and Cecchini in the mix.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Is it true that Cookson is visiting them and bringing along Eddy. Eddy will talk to them about getting the right team around you, people you can trust. And then he will hand over a few business cards a certain doctor gave him...."Call him, say Eddy recommended you made contact".

 

[oldcrank]

I think now is the proper time to Damn the Hypocrisy and
declare David Millar Cycling's One True Champion.

 

[Maxiton]

I think now is the proper time to Damn the Hypocrisy and
declare David Millar Cycling's One True Champion.

Haha, hilarious. Miller is a filth nozzle.

 

[Gaul 58]

I hope he gives them a good warning about the danger of taking Stilnox while in hotel rooms on the fifth floor of hotels... don't want them all trying the trick of walking room to room by use of the outside balcony.... might have to phone for the B team.

 

[samhocking]

I prefer to be told not to do something by someone who's never done it rather than someone who has. I find lack of real-world experience carries so much more gravitas than from those that do. BC are crazy, I mean they're not even paying Millar, it's a voluntary role lol!

 

[sniper]

I think now is the proper time to Damn the Hypocrisy and
declare David Millar Cycling's One True Champion.

the Sky/BC/Millar crew did a terrific job getting Digger banned.
props.

an honest question i had is: did Millar ever apologize to Gaumont?

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

Al Capone to mentor gang members on dangers of tax evasion

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/11/david-millar-mentor-british-cycling-anti-doping

I'm no big fan of millar, but it is pretty common for say ex gang members to mentor young people on the dangers of criminal gangs, or ex drug addicts to mentor people on the dangers of drug additction.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Guess it comes down to whether you believe he changed after he was sanctioned or not. He does come across all a bit high and mighty I must admit.

In principle I'm of the view that having an ex-doper mentoring younger riders about the dangers of doping is not a bad thing. I think it would sit a lot easier with people if it was someone who had actually lost everything because of it and therefore really could say "look what happened to me - lost it all", which of course DM didn't.

 

[TheSpud]

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I prefer to be told not to do something by someone who's never done it rather than someone who has. I find lack of real-world experience carries so much more gravitas than from those that do. BC are crazy, I mean they're not even paying Millar, it's a voluntary role lol!

That doesnt make sense, or have i missed some kind of irony / sarcasm there?

 

[sniper]

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I prefer to be told not to do something by someone who's never done it rather than someone who has. I find lack of real-world experience carries so much more gravitas than from those that do. BC are crazy, I mean they're not even paying Millar, it's a voluntary role lol!

That doesnt make sense, or have i missed some kind of irony / sarcasm there?

sounded like sarcasm to me.

but you said it right in your previous post.
to paraphrase that:
millar is a paradigm example of 'doping pays, big time'. So how is he going to be credible telling youngsters not to dope?
Also note that Millar actually never tested positive. Evaded the system.
And even after sitting out a ban, he was let back in with open arms and got himself a nice second carreer. So he's a perfect example of the attractive risk-reward ratio of doping.
What's he gonna tell those youngsters?
It's ludicrous.

This stunt smells of nepotism.
Win-win: Millar gets to cement his status as antidoping campaigner; meanwhile he can help perpetuate the doping structures BC set up in quarrata/tuscany between 2005-2010.

 

[samhocking]

If it's not sarcastic, then you believe Millar's role would be better served by a rider who didn't get caught doping?

 

[samhocking]

I think the point, is, Millar did lose everything because of doping, not that he gained them from doping and retained them after his ban like say an Armstrong, Valverde, Basso etc etc. Any of those mentoring anti-doping to their own National team would be a disgrace.
I think BC are as keen for Millar's road racing craft and contacts with all the pro team managers to get young BC riders into Pro Tour as they are for simply his real-world anti-doping messages to their young riders.
The difference now, is when a rider serves a ban for doping, they don't come back like Millar's generation did. The two year ban is a lifetime ban from Pro Tour now. Sure you can drop down to pro-continental - just about still, but do young riders really want to see doping and eventual pro continental as the pinnacle of the sport they love?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I think the point, is, Millar did lose everything because of doping, not that he gained them from doping and retained them after his ban like say an Armstrong, Valverde, Basso etc etc. Any of those mentoring anti-doping to their own National team would be a disgrace.
I think BC are as keen for Millar's road racing craft and contacts with all the pro team managers to get young BC riders into Pro Tour as they are for simply for real-world anti-doping messages to young riders from him.
The difference now, is when a rider serves a ban for doping, they don't come back like Millar's generation did. The two year ban is a lifetime ban from Pro Tour now. Sure you can drop down to pro-continental - just about still, but do young riders really want to see doping and eventual pro continental as the pinnacle of the sport they love?

Since when?

 

[samhocking]

What do you mean since when? Just look at the lists of riders banned at pro-tour level over the last few years who don't come back to pro-tour after serving their ban. Pro-Continental is their only choice now. I'm not saying 100%, but generally pro tour sponsors or rather team owners won't entertain them now like they did in Millar's time.

 

[samhocking]

Another way to look at it is, is where are the following protour riders before and after bans in 2013/2014:

Dekker > Retired
Di Luca > Lifetime Ban, but went down to Vini Fantini–Selle Italia to get 2013 contract
Tiernan-Locke > Sky/Endura to 2nd Cat Amateur
Iglinsky brothers > Astana to retired/amateur now
Ballan > BMC to being in talks with Pro Continental for his return
Ubeto > Lampre to assume he'll retire this year after ban?