Apparently Justin Gatlin once got frostbite from cryotherapy because he did not remove his sweaty socks prior to it.
ANyway I have heard of case studies that suggest it has no effect, no idea if this is true or not.
ANyway I have heard of case studies that suggest it has no effect, no idea if this is true or not.
Last time I checked there wasn't clear evidence of cryo stuff being useful for aerobic efforts (anaerobic I think is clearer).
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From what I've seen, the results are clear(ish), but the conclusions are not. So when a study shows that it helps recovery (say, that after cold therapy, subjects were able to repeat exercise at whatever intensity), many assume that it is a good training intervention ("recovery is good!).
The conclusion of course, it that recovery does note equal adaptation.
The best analyses I've read is that many recovery aids aid recovery because they dampen the stress response. Anti-inflammatories, cold thereapy ect. The problem is that in exercise, the goal is a stress-adaptaion cycle, so dampening the stress means the body has lower target to adapt to, and thus a smaller training effect.
So, these recovery aids would serve better during competition than during training. In theory.
Everyone agrees though (or should agree, at least), that nothing is crystal clear. The use over three weeks hasn't been studied, and most studies are not done on elite athletes. Most studies are also not done on athletes that may or may not be doping; it will not be known how drugs interact with that recovery/adaptation process...
Other factors are that different work loads apply different stresses. An aerobic effort can cause muscle damage and micro tears, and an anaerobic effort could not, depending on the whole volume. Different stressors (and their signaling) also interact with each other, so it is not just aerobic/aerobic, resistance/endurance, heat/normal conditions, etc...
Ferminal said:
From what I've seen, the results are clear(ish), but the conclusions are not. So when a study shows that it helps recovery (say, that after cold therapy, subjects were able to repeat exercise at whatever intensity), many assume that it is a good training intervention ("recovery is good!).
The conclusion of course, it that recovery does note equal adaptation.
The best analyses I've read is that many recovery aids aid recovery because they dampen the stress response. Anti-inflammatories, cold thereapy ect. The problem is that in exercise, the goal is a stress-adaptaion cycle, so dampening the stress means the body has lower target to adapt to, and thus a smaller training effect.
So, these recovery aids would serve better during competition than during training. In theory.
Everyone agrees though (or should agree, at least), that nothing is crystal clear. The use over three weeks hasn't been studied, and most studies are not done on elite athletes. Most studies are also not done on athletes that may or may not be doping; it will not be known how drugs interact with that recovery/adaptation process...
Other factors are that different work loads apply different stresses. An aerobic effort can cause muscle damage and micro tears, and an anaerobic effort could not, depending on the whole volume. Different stressors (and their signaling) also interact with each other, so it is not just aerobic/aerobic, resistance/endurance, heat/normal conditions, etc...
i think cryotherapy works best if applied only to muscles while not reducing the blood flow which is practice is difficult to implement and therefore can get varied results. Just speculating
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Jokes aside, how does it jive with the theories of AG2R being pumped to the gills? The guy left and improved tremendously.
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with the exception of houanard, theories of AG2R being turbocharged (or say, having 'upped' their game) i think relate mainly to their improved results in 2013/14/15, i.e. a period that doesn't concern elmiger.
ag2r 2013 was quite an improvement from 2012 as well.GuyIncognito said:
with the exception of houanard, theories of AG2R being turbocharged (or say, having 'upped' their game) i think relate mainly to their improved results in 2013/14/15, i.e. a period that doesn't concern elmiger.
Elmiger had some troubles with his iliac arteries while he was with ag2r, so probably never reached his full potantial.
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Wonder what changes they made to Nicholas prodhome's training programs and nutrition recently.????
Marginal gains ?
(Dominique Serieys wants his team to win, and he is quite serious about it.)
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Time to change the thread title maybe, Mods? I believe next year they're called Decathlon Shipmates Ahoy me hearties yo ho ho Arrr! (or something like that)
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