Albasini racist?

[hrotha]

Why shall I shut up when Albasini and Switzerland is thrown to the mud? I won´t shut up...

Shut up about racism in Africa being relevant at all to the discussion...

 

[theyoungest]

I don't believe you'd say something in the spur of the moment that wasn't there somewhere in the first place. Internalized, hidden, repressed, maybe, but it was there.

I'd be interested to know how you deal with people with Tourette's syndrome. I guess you've never called someone something you really didn't mean.

 

[Jagartrott]

1.) You don´t need to live in Switzerland if you don´t like it.
2.) Posting something out of context is offensive against the people of Switzerland, living in rural ares. It´s highly xenophobic.
3.) Where is your outrage against Simbabwe, since you started to hit out against countries?

Albasini is from Zimbabwe
On the rest: I was half-joking with my original comment, but OK

 

[hrotha]

I'd be interested to know how you deal with people with Tourette's syndrome. I guess you've never called someone something you really didn't mean.

Tourette's is a disorder. It's a special case.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Doesn't surprise me in the least though.

Why? You know him? I thought he is a pretty good bike racer, never heard anything bad about him...

 

[Arnout]

Albasini is from Zimbabwe
On the rest: I was half-joking with my original comment, but OK, I can't expect a German to know something about humour.

Ain't this racism too?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Shut up about racism in Africa being relevant at all to the discussion...

I will, if people stop talking Switzerland into a xenophobic country. Fair?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Albasini is from Zimbabwe

I thought Reza was born there.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Ever been in Africa? You´d wonder what people "really" are there then. I guess the moralizers would like to nuke those countries if they knew what real rascism goes on there.

People cool down, and come down from your high podests... Albasini is just a bike racer, a really good one BTW. Leave it at that. If you wanna fight the bad things, go to eastern Ukraine or Palestine and help people there. Reza is fine. Guaranteed.

Agreed, the moral posturing by many on here is quite amusing. All about appearing superior to other people by going to extreme lengths to condemn someone about a silly, off-the-tongue comment

 

[SeriousSam]

Just to break this little myth here: there is no paradox in being intolerant against intolerance.

If you are intolerant some of the time (when faced with other forms of intolerance, for instance), then you are not tolerant all of the time and you shouldn't pretend to be.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Agreed, the moral posturing by many on here is quite amusing. All about appearing superior to other people by going to extreme lengths to condemn someone about a silly, off-the-tongue comment

But I didn´t play the outraged moralizer. It´s enough for me to fight political correctness. That will be a life long task.
Otherwise, nice summary...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

If you are intolerant some of the time (when faced with other forms of intolerance, for instance), then you are not tolerant all of the time and you shouldn't pretend to be.

The tolerant are only tolerant to the tolerant that side with their views. But they are intolerant and outraged (as you can for example see in this thread) to the tolerant who don´t share their views. Thus they are the most intolerant out there...

 

[rhubroma]

Why? You know him? I thought he is a pretty good bike racer, never heard anything bad about him...

Because I've been around the block enough times to find a white cyclist calling a black cyclist a "dirty n!gger" not surprising.

Doesn't mean it's the rule, but surprising, no.

 

[Arnout]

Because I've been around the block enough times to find a white cyclist calling a black cyclist a "dirty n!gger" not surprising.

Doesn't mean it's the rule, but surprising, no.

I have to agree here. Colombian riders also made mention of this when the new generation started to arrive in Europe. In the end, cyclists are humans and among humanity there are people with this very nasty racist beliefs.

 

[rhubroma]

Agreed, the moral posturing by many on here is quite amusing. All about appearing superior to other people by going to extreme lengths to condemn someone about a silly, off-the-tongue comment

There's nothing "moralizing" about holding one accountable for calling a black rider a "dirty n!gger" at the Tour de France (or anywhere else for that matter, but, you know, cycling's public image at the Tour has a bit more weight than a club ride). It's merely a call for a grown-up to take responsibilty for his own stupidity and nastyness in an age in which such racist remarks are no longer tolerable.

Your referring to the episode as merely a "silly, off-the tongue comment" thus pertains to an early 20th century mentality of the pre-civil rights, pre-apartheide eras that rightfully is no excuse. Perhaps if it were directed at you, it wouldn't seem so tivial though.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Because I've been around the block enough times to find a white cyclist calling a black cyclist a "dirty n!gger" not surprising.

Doesn't mean it's the rule, but surprising, no.

I still don´t think he said this. And if he did, there must have been a reason he lost his temper (maybe Reza said/did something to him before. It wouldn´t be the first time that a black man offends a white one*). Thus I don´t condemn Albasini unless it becomes clear he was the offender... until then, still innocent.

* You see, it goes both ways.

 

[rhubroma]

I have to agree here. Colombian riders also made mention of this when the new generation started to arrive in Europe. In the end, cyclists are humans and among humanity there are people with this very nasty racist beliefs.

In fact at the Giro this year there were some unfortunate episodes against the "sporchi aborigini o selvaggi," however they are viewed.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Your referring to the episode as merely a "silly, off-the tongue comment" thus pertains to an early 20th century mentality of the pre-civil rights, pre-apartheide eras that rightfully is no excuse. Perhaps if it were directed at you, it wouldn't seem so tivial though.

Cool down. Don´t mix sports with politics. I like your posts in the politics thread and all, but here you make things bigger than they are.

 

[rhubroma]

I still don´t think he said this. And if he did, there must have been a reason he lost his temper (maybe Reza said/did something to him before. It wouldn´t be the first time that a black man offends a white one*). Thus I don´t condemn Albasini unless it becomes clear he was the offender... until then, still innocent.

* You see, it goes both ways.

First you say he didn't say it, but then say if he did there must be some "justification."

Look, Foxxy, your reasoning is at this point all wrong. Nothing Reza could have done to Albasini would justify the Swiss calling him a "dirty n!gger." Period.

 

[rhubroma]

Cool down. Don´t mix sports with politics. I like your posts in the politics thread and all, but here you make things bigger than they are.

I wasn't, that was what the other poster had done. And it is for this very same reason that your reasoning is wrong. As we can't separate the reasons why it is no longer acceptable to call a black man a "dirty n!gger," form the social and political history that took place during the 20th century. I simply made note of this.

 

[Arnout]

In fact at the Giro this year there were some unfortunate episodes against the "sporchi aborigini o selvaggi," however they are viewed.

Can you elaborate? What happened?

 

[difdauf]

“You know there are many languages spoken in the bunch, I don’t speak English perfectly, I speak a little bit of French, not perfectly, [Reza] doesn’t speak my languages. That can happen, a misunderstanding.”

This is ****ing racist !
Albasini speaks fluent french, how could Reza don't know his languages ? They don't have civilised languages in his jungle ? He is a parisian boy! you **** **** *** ******* *** !!!

 

[Jerkovin]

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that someone would mishear the word "n*gger" or any language variant. Nothing else sounds like it.

Brilliant.

I'm glad I'm not the only person who caught that.

 

[deValtos]

Racism is about intent no ?

Saying ******bag comments is rude in general but if there's no prejudice behind the comments then he's not a racist, just not a nice guy.

 

[rhubroma]

Can you elaborate? What happened?

Well that was back in May, but if my memory serves me correctly it was how an Italian rider (and, no, I can no longer remember which one), referred to the some Colombians.

In any case I remember reading something about it in la Repubblica.