He thinks managing a cycling team is no different than his beer business, but cyclists aren't bottles of beer and you can't turn out results the way you can production. Performance on the road isn't like production in the factory, and doesn't follow the logic of executive graphs and spread sheets.Taxus4a said:I dont like anything the way Tinkoff understand cycling.
I am with you on that one, TaxusTaxus4a said:I dont like anything the way Tinkoff understand cycling.
+1rhubroma said:He thinks managing a cycling team is no different than his beer business, but cyclists aren't bottles of beer and you can turn out results the way you can production. Performance on the road isn't like production in the factory, and doesn't follow the logic of executive graphs and spread sheets.Taxus4a said:I dont like anything the way Tinkoff understand cycling.
His language is all wrong and so is his mentality. Not that a pro team shouldn't set high standards and lofty objectives, but there is a human dimension that defies everything Tinkoff stands for and represents within the business paradigm and the way he sees life.
His arrogance knows no bounds, while he believes he is as qualified to establish policy and strategy as those who really are. This is a dangerous combination.
I think that Contador should only to distance Porte one or two times. With the final MTF's it may be hard enough. But if/when he gets pink (dont know who will have it after the ITT), all I think he should do is following him and sprint away and get 15-20 seconds every time he can like he did with Froome at the Vuelta.SeriousSam said:One thing I've been wondering is this: Do you guys expect Contador to take Porte's soul in the third week, ie to drop him for good at a MTF? I'm not talking about sprinting away in the last km for 11 seconds like at the Vuelta last year, but bringing down the hammer, like Froome has done on his rivals on multiple occasions.
Of course you was the chosen one to completely miss the overall picture as is your routine. He speaks about wages and contracts using a disappointment with Sagan after said rider just won ToC. Nothing beats the encouragement hey?SeriousSam said:All Tinkov is saying here is that he agrees with the cn forum members that Tour only is no good. Plus he's making a few obviously true assertions about wages an contracts.
I agree with this, but I don't think he'll have pink after the TT, so it would make sense to go all out on at least one MTF to take it, and then follow wheels. And the question is, when he does go all out with his current level (or the level he has in the 3rd week), will it result in Porte's complete and utter destruction or not. I'm getting annoyed with Porte The Undroppable.rm7 said:I think that Contador should only to distance Porte one or two times. With the final MTF's it may be hard enough. But if/when he gets pink (dont know who will have it after the ITT), all I think he should do is following him and sprint away and get 15-20 seconds every time he can like he did with Froome at the Vuelta.SeriousSam said:One thing I've been wondering is this: Do you guys expect Contador to take Porte's soul in the third week, ie to drop him for good at a MTF? I'm not talking about sprinting away in the last km for 11 seconds like at the Vuelta last year, but bringing down the hammer, like Froome has done on his rivals on multiple occasions.
He really dont need to put on a show.
As a businessman then, since this seems to be his greatest qualification, he really shouldn't whine about contracts, nor should the investment risks involved at all be surprising.SeriousSam said:All Tinkov is saying here is that he agrees with the cn forum members that Tour only is no good. Plus he's making a few obviously true assertions about wages an contracts.
Are you saying Tinkov isn't a nice grandfatherly figure? Probably, but then neither are the other bosses even if they aren't quite as frank about it. People here seem to have a very romantic view of the sport.No_Balls said:Of course you was the chosen one to completely miss the overall picture as is your routine. He speaks about wages and contracts using a disappointment with Sagan after said rider just won ToC. Nothing beats the encouragement hey?SeriousSam said:All Tinkov is saying here is that he agrees with the cn forum members that Tour only is no good. Plus he's making a few obviously true assertions about wages an contracts.
Who gives the riders these contracts you think?SeriousSam said:All Tinkov is saying here is that he agrees with the cn forum members that Tour only is no good. Plus he's making a few obviously true assertions about wages an contracts.
Like this you meanSeriousSam said:One thing I've been wondering is this: Do you guys expect Contador to take Porte's soul in the third week, ie to drop him for good at a MTF? I'm not talking about sprinting away in the last km for 11 seconds like at the Vuelta last year, but bringing down the hammer, like Froome has done on his rivals on multiple occasions.
I dont imagine the other bosses being philantropists demanding nothing, but at least they have the decency to be somewhat internal about their opinions. Public sniping like this looks exactly what it is.SeriousSam said:Are you saying Tinkov isn't a nice grandfatherly figure? Probably, but then neither are the other bosses even if they aren't quite as frank about it. People here seem to have a very romantic view of the sport.No_Balls said:Of course you was the chosen one to completely miss the overall picture as is your routine. He speaks about wages and contracts using a disappointment with Sagan after said rider just won ToC. Nothing beats the encouragement hey?SeriousSam said:All Tinkov is saying here is that he agrees with the cn forum members that Tour only is no good. Plus he's making a few obviously true assertions about wages an contracts.
He doesnt need either soothing words nor public sniping after stepping up to Olegs first critique. You seem pretty clueless about good management?One would hope that Sagan doesn't need the soothing and gentle words of the team owner to be encouraged to win races. The huge contract, the prestige and the ability to earn another huge contract is probably all the encouragement he needs.
Not quite, I was thinking of an attack that really blows Porte to pieces. Keeping with the Ruta del Sol, more like thisray j willings said:Like this you meanSeriousSam said:One thing I've been wondering is this: Do you guys expect Contador to take Porte's soul in the third week, ie to drop him for good at a MTF? I'm not talking about sprinting away in the last km for 11 seconds like at the Vuelta last year, but bringing down the hammer, like Froome has done on his rivals on multiple occasions.
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Last+10+Km+of+Stage+3&dashboard=vuelta-a-andalucia-ruta-ciclista-del-sol&id=arDWUzDwh8I&start=3&yr=2015
Do not troll us my friendSeriousSam said:Not quite, I was thinking of an attack that really blows Porte to pieces. Keeping with the Ruta del Sol, more like thisray j willings said:Like this you meanSeriousSam said:One thing I've been wondering is this: Do you guys expect Contador to take Porte's soul in the third week, ie to drop him for good at a MTF? I'm not talking about sprinting away in the last km for 11 seconds like at the Vuelta last year, but bringing down the hammer, like Froome has done on his rivals on multiple occasions.
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=Last+10+Km+of+Stage+3&dashboard=vuelta-a-andalucia-ruta-ciclista-del-sol&id=arDWUzDwh8I&start=3&yr=2015
http://www.steephill.tv/players/720/cyclingtv/?title=Stage+4+Final+Km+Recap&dashboard=vuelta-a-andalucia-ruta-ciclista-del-sol&id=3382&yr=2015
if the attack had occurred earlier, the gap would have been huge. That sort of thing.
LOLLsultanofhyd said:Will Contador ever let go of the "coffee" joke?
https://twitter.com/albertocontador/status/600006781411192832
Geez I hope not. Let the man enjoy his coffeesultanofhyd said:Will Contador ever let go of the "coffee" joke?
https://twitter.com/albertocontador/status/600006781411192832
Absolutely nothing wrong with his shoulder.ILovecycling said:Alberto sprinting![]()
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