Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Electress]

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Did anyone notice that Tanel Kangert backed off towards the finish with Contador and motioned for him to go ahead? I thought that was a classy move on his part.

Yeah I noticed that too, really nice gesture from Kangert

Agreed.

 

[buchanan]

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Did anyone notice that Tanel Kangert backed off towards the finish with Contador and motioned for him to go ahead? I thought that was a classy move on his part.

Yeah I noticed that too, really nice gesture from Kangert

Agreed.

Yep, noticed it. Very classy.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Did anyone notice that Tanel Kangert backed off towards the finish with Contador and motioned for him to go ahead? I thought that was a classy move on his part.

Yeah I noticed that too, really nice gesture from Kangert

Agreed.

Yep, noticed it. Very classy.

I didn't notice it initially but just watched the final few km on youtube. Really nice indeed

 

[Red Rick]

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Congratulations Alberto! It could have been a horrible day today but he got lucky. He's now one step closer to the greatest of all time:

1. Merckx - 11 Grand Tours
2. Hinault - 10
3. Contador - 9
4. Anquetil - 8
5. Armstrong - 7
5. Coppi - 7
5. Indurain - 7

Wrong! You people even don't believe yourself. Doping wins don't count, keep dreaming.

Who are 'You People' ?

People who contribute to the forum and not make an account just to make silly posts like his

 

[Jagartrott]

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Slams head against desk. idk, perhaps because the itt and the contenders pre-conceived abilities before and the results after shaped the strategy and the dynamics of the entire effin race???

Leaves thread for awhile before the contagion spreads.

In the last few days you've done nothing but calling everyone that did not agree with your opinion dumb.
Perhaps those who dared question already a couple of days ago whether Contador was indeed legendary or super-strong in this giro weren't so stupid or deluded after all.

 

[Metabolol]

Congratulations to Alberto, a hard-fought victory but very well-deserved.

 

[ferryman]

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Anyone know what he's referring to in that pic? His 3 Vuelta victories? Would be somewhat disrespectful to the tifosi.

Your constant trolling is getting you into the red zone Sam. Give it a break now until July eh.

 

[Carols]

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Anyone know what he's referring to in that pic? His 3 Vuelta victories? Would be somewhat disrespectful to the tifosi.

Your constant trolling is getting you into the red zone Sam. Give it a break now until July eh.

Thank You ferryman!

 

[ggusta]

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Slams head against desk. idk, perhaps because the itt and the contenders pre-conceived abilities before and the results after shaped the strategy and the dynamics of the entire effin race???

Leaves thread for awhile before the contagion spreads.

In the last few days you've done nothing but calling everyone that did not agree with your opinion dumb.
Perhaps those who dared question already a couple of days ago whether Contador was indeed legendary or super-strong in this giro weren't so stupid or deluded after all.

Not even close, I have said there has been a massive outbreak of stupid. There's lots of people with whom I disagree that are smarter (MUCH smarter) about cycling, than I am, but the threads are populated and 'animated' by a lot of sheer nonsense, much more so than in the past. I tend not to offer my own opinion very often on cycling, there are just way too many other people who say what I want to say more clearly. What's left more me? "Ummm Yeah, what he said." ?? But read through these threads and it's just mind boggling the degree of sheer stupidity you come across. Go ahead, dig right the heck in.

Can you point out any post since the start of the Giro, ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where someone disagreed with my opinion and I responded in any such way?


As for questioning AC's strength in this Giro, can you point out ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where I say that anyone who says it isn't legendary or whatever you want to characterize it as is dumb? ONE POST. ONE.

Click on my handle and start a-readin'

 

[Jelantik]

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Did anyone notice that Tanel Kangert backed off towards the finish with Contador and motioned for him to go ahead? I thought that was a classy move on his part.

Yeah I noticed that too, really nice gesture from Kangert

Agreed.

yep. notice that too. very classy move by him. showing a respect.

 

[ILovecycling]

Congrats Alberto!...
smart measure effort today.As Delfino said, he has won this Giro cuz of pure Class.

 

[rune1107]

Huge effort from Bertie today! He had some hard days in this Giro, and it is not surprising he has a bad day. Now full focus on the Tour. 1 down, 1 to go!

 

[mufana]

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Anyone know what he's referring to in that pic? His 3 Vuelta victories? Would be somewhat disrespectful to the tifosi.

Maybe you can explain what he's done wrong in the Giro '11?

 

[No_Balls]

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Slams head against desk. idk, perhaps because the itt and the contenders pre-conceived abilities before and the results after shaped the strategy and the dynamics of the entire effin race???

Leaves thread for awhile before the contagion spreads.

In the last few days you've done nothing but calling everyone that did not agree with your opinion dumb.
Perhaps those who dared question already a couple of days ago whether Contador was indeed legendary or super-strong in this giro weren't so stupid or deluded after all.

Not even close, I have said there has been a massive outbreak of stupid. There's lots of people with whom I disagree that are smarter (MUCH smarter) about cycling, than I am, but the threads are populated and 'animated' by a lot of sheer nonsense, much more so than in the past. I tend not to offer my own opinion very often on cycling, there are just way too many other people who say what I want to say more clearly. What's left more me? "Ummm Yeah, what he said." ?? But read through these threads and it's just mind boggling the degree of sheer stupidity you come across. Go ahead, dig right the heck in.

Can you point out any post since the start of the Giro, ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where someone disagreed with my opinion and I responded in any such way?


As for questioning AC's strength in this Giro, can you point out ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where I say that anyone who says it isn't legendary or whatever you want to characterize it as is dumb? ONE POST. ONE.

Click on my handle and start a-readin'

The problem is the overriding obsession of "Contador-fans" on this board. It is not about cycling. They come in masses fixated on what "Contador-fans" says and does. The lack of IP-ban give the possibilites to create endless of sockpuppets saying the same things in order to create an impression of being a mainly complaint. They saves screendumps of what "Contador-fans" have said and done, defies logic and then cries "fanboyism". We have a registred troll, Serioussam, who have totally set aside his mancrush on Riche Porte for the purpose of winding up Contador-fans and dragged a respected poster like "Merckxindex" in to write the most hilarious post known to man. It is first now he gets an half-assed warning.

The lack of a Strong moderatorship (and IP-bans) stirs up the trouble and fuels the religious obsession on Contadors fans.

 

[Jagartrott]

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Not even close, I have said there has been a massive outbreak of stupid. There's lots of people with whom I disagree that are smarter (MUCH smarter) about cycling, than I am, but the threads are populated and 'animated' by a lot of sheer nonsense, much more so than in the past. I tend not to offer my own opinion very often on cycling, there are just way too many other people who say what I want to say more clearly. What's left more me? "Ummm Yeah, what he said." ?? But read through these threads and it's just mind boggling the degree of sheer stupidity you come across. Go ahead, dig right the heck in.

Can you point out any post since the start of the Giro, ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where someone disagreed with my opinion and I responded in any such way?


As for questioning AC's strength in this Giro, can you point out ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where I say that anyone who says it isn't legendary or whatever you want to characterize it as is dumb? ONE POST. ONE.

Click on my handle and start a-readin'

You've posted plenty of things that are variations on "you're so stupid I cannot believe it", some accompanied by nice jpgs. I think you don't direct those at people who agree with you?

But OK, here's an example:

A brief summary of the thread:

Astana wins the stage with Aru... and Contador's fanboy, quoting: "Big fail from Astana today"

ROFL!!!!!

A brief summary of these threads over the last 3 weeks. Saxo-Tinkoff is so weak and Landa is a better climber than Contador......Who is winning the race.

... because there was a long time trial.

As I said earlier, just when it seems like we have hit rock bottom, someone pulls out a shovel and begins to dig.

I am not sure how many GT's there are with no TT's, since I have been watching I can recall none, but perhaps I am wrong. Maybe if there were no mountains a sprinter would win? If you are there to win, you ought to be prepared for all of the events, not just the ones you like.

Contador lost the maglia rosa for one day prior to the TT due to a crash.

Here are the standings after the TT
(...)
Looking at that, it appears that Landa had the 2nd best week of everyone except AC, as he only lost 20 more seconds AFTER THE TT, Aru lost 2m, AFTER THE TT. Keep spinning, it's funny.

The object of the race is to complete it in the least amount of time. You don't throw out the stages you did badly on. This isn't fugure skating or gymnastics. It seems to elude some people. (Actually, it may only be one person with like 10 user names who is trying to appear less ignorant by spreading the manure across various names, whatever the case, the winner gets the trophy. To add to a bunch of others on his mantle.)

I read the reply you have qualms with as just trying to 'prove' Landa was perhaps the best climber in this race, because without the TT, he rode faster than Contador. While I agree with you that race dynamics etc. don't allow for just cutting out a stage and then using the remainder as proof, but it actually is at least an indication of strength uphill. Unfortunately, you then again choose to personally attack the poster, accusing him of ignorance and even of him creating multiple accounts to reinforce his take on the matter, and of course the "just when it seems like we have hit rock bottom, someone pulls out a shovel and begins to dig". It's very aggressive, and you're not even trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's dumb and/or a troll.

 

[Jelantik]

Despite what we think about his team, Alberto is always classy. He knows without his team mate he won't be wearing the jersey.

Q: You shown you’re very strong but it’s perhaps right to say you won alone against a very strong Astana team. Which of your teammates will you take to the Tour de France?

AC: When I have teammates who give 100 per cent for me, and work the way they have at training camps before the Giro d'Italia and the Tour, I can only say thanks to them three times. Without them I wouldn’t have this [pink] jersey. There were moments when I went mano a mano with the Astana riders but you have to understand that the Astana team was at a superior level to everyone else. When we were in a group of 10 riders, five were from Astana, in a group of eight, there were four of them. In this Giro d'Italia. I can only say thanks to my team, and whatever things may have looked like from the outside, without my team I wouldn't have this jersey.

 

[ggusta]

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Not even close, I have said there has been a massive outbreak of stupid. There's lots of people with whom I disagree that are smarter (MUCH smarter) about cycling, than I am, but the threads are populated and 'animated' by a lot of sheer nonsense, much more so than in the past. I tend not to offer my own opinion very often on cycling, there are just way too many other people who say what I want to say more clearly. What's left more me? "Ummm Yeah, what he said." ?? But read through these threads and it's just mind boggling the degree of sheer stupidity you come across. Go ahead, dig right the heck in.

Can you point out any post since the start of the Giro, ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where someone disagreed with my opinion and I responded in any such way?


As for questioning AC's strength in this Giro, can you point out ANY POST. AS IN ONE WOULD BE ADEQUATE, where I say that anyone who says it isn't legendary or whatever you want to characterize it as is dumb? ONE POST. ONE.

Click on my handle and start a-readin'

You've posted plenty of things that are variations on "you're so stupid I cannot believe it", some accompanied by nice jpgs. I think you don't direct those at people who agree with you?

But OK, here's an example:

A brief summary of the thread:

Astana wins the stage with Aru... and Contador's fanboy, quoting: "Big fail from Astana today"

ROFL!!!!!

A brief summary of these threads over the last 3 weeks. Saxo-Tinkoff is so weak and Landa is a better climber than Contador......Who is winning the race.

... because there was a long time trial.

As I said earlier, just when it seems like we have hit rock bottom, someone pulls out a shovel and begins to dig.

I am not sure how many GT's there are with no TT's, since I have been watching I can recall none, but perhaps I am wrong. Maybe if there were no mountains a sprinter would win? If you are there to win, you ought to be prepared for all of the events, not just the ones you like.

Contador lost the maglia rosa for one day prior to the TT due to a crash.

Here are the standings after the TT
(...)
Looking at that, it appears that Landa had the 2nd best week of everyone except AC, as he only lost 20 more seconds AFTER THE TT, Aru lost 2m, AFTER THE TT. Keep spinning, it's funny.

The object of the race is to complete it in the least amount of time. You don't throw out the stages you did badly on. This isn't fugure skating or gymnastics. It seems to elude some people. (Actually, it may only be one person with like 10 user names who is trying to appear less ignorant by spreading the manure across various names, whatever the case, the winner gets the trophy. To add to a bunch of others on his mantle.)

I read the reply you have qualms with as just trying to 'prove' Landa was perhaps the best climber in this race, because without the TT, he rode faster than Contador. While I agree with you that race dynamics etc. don't allow for just cutting out a stage and then using the remainder as proof, but it actually is at least an indication of strength uphill. Unfortunately, you then again choose to personally attack the poster, accusing him of ignorance and even of him creating multiple accounts to reinforce his take on the matter, and of course the "just when it seems like we have hit rock bottom, someone pulls out a shovel and begins to dig". It's very aggressive, and you're not even trying to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He's dumb and/or a troll.

I am duly shamed. I replied to what I believed and still believed is a sock puppet and therefore did not give him the respect I would ordinarily grant anyone. I apologize.

Again, you go back to the TT, which is what merckxindex posted about.

It is not terribly complex math to realize that a person who has won no stages and performed better in the TT would have had a lower GC ranking than the 2nd and 3rd on GC who HAVE won stages if you omit that stage from the results. [Maybe the top 3 guys can choose to omit any two stages and the result from that will give us our winner, does that sound like an entertaining sporting competition to you?]

Is this really worth making into such an elaborate concept? Why add a layer of complexity to the obvious?

"AC did much better in the tt than 2nd and 3rd; and 2nd and 3rd have better times elsewhere."

No eff!n $#!t ?!?!? So are you saying let's do away with TT's in general? Is there any point to this at all?

If if if if if, if wishes and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas.

If it makes you feel better to say that Landa (in particular) is a better climber, then go ahead. I would be foolish to argue the point. What do I care? Contador won the race. He has won 8 others (on the road), don't you think there is something correlative about him in particular other than his climbing that accounts for that? Or is it always just circumstance?

Few will care who won stages two years from now, the person who gets the trophy gets remembered forever.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Berto not going to win the Tour this year... that's for sure

 

[ILovecycling]

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Berto not going to win the Tour this year... that's for sure

You dont believe in Double huh?

 

[sartoris]

Bravo Alberto! Won one of the best Giros ever, single handedly against an INCREDIBLY (literaly) strong Astana train which reminded me of the USP on their best performances or, more recently, of some SKY feats.

Thanks for making stages like the one on the Mortirolo pieces of contemporary cycling history and letting us being eyewitnesses to it.

You are currently favourite number 1 for this year's TDF.

 

[Jspear]

TS as a team will have an easier time at the Tour IMO. They won't have the race favorite and so it won't be their job to control the pack. On the flat stages you'll have Etixx and Giant among others controlling things for the top sprinters in the sport. No doubt Sky will ride on the front during most stages...what else do they do in the Tour? Between Astana, Moviestar, and Sky I think the "controlling" of the peleton will be much easier. Hopefully this will result in AC having at least 2 climbers with him on the final climbs.

 

[ggusta]

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You've posted plenty of things that are variations on "you're so stupid I cannot believe it", some accompanied by nice jpgs. I think you don't direct those at people who agree with you?

But OK, here's an example:

A brief summary of the thread:

Astana wins the stage with Aru... and Contador's fanboy, quoting: "Big fail from Astana today"

ROFL!!!!!

A brief summary of these threads over the last 3 weeks. Saxo-Tinkoff is so weak and Landa is a better climber than Contador......Who is winning the race.

... because there was a long time trial.

As I said earlier, just when it seems like we have hit rock bottom, someone pulls out a shovel and begins to dig.

I am not sure how many GT's there are with no TT's, since I have been watching I can recall none, but perhaps I am wrong. Maybe if there were no mountains a sprinter would win? If you are there to win, you ought to be prepared for all of the events, not just the ones you like.

Contador lost the maglia rosa for one day prior to the TT due to a crash.

Again, no, I have posted many times that there is a massive outbreak of stupid, many times with jpg's etc. Not YOU meaning any particular poster or post is incredibly stupid, just a widespread stupidity outbreak.

My supposition being that one person controlling a variety of handles was behind a lot of it. But, tbh, there are countering points of view (meaning people who share my general pro-AC fandom) that also bowl me over semi-regularly with equivalent malformed reasoning. AKA STUPIDITY

 

[SeriousSam]

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Anyone know what he's referring to in that pic? His 3 Vuelta victories? Would be somewhat disrespectful to the tifosi.

Your constant trolling is getting you into the red zone Sam. Give it a break now until July eh.

As I've explained more than once, I'm not trolling. But ok. I'll change the tone of my posts from now on and avoid what seems to be causing all this offense.

Anyone know what he's referring to in that pic? His 3 Vuelta victories? Would be somewhat disrespectful to the tifosi.

Maybe you can explain what he's done wrong in the Giro '11?

Contador may consider himself to have won 2 (soon 3) Giros, but in reality, he has won only one (soon 2) because he got a backdated 2 year ban that rendered his results in 2011 null and void. Results in cycling are determined by official bodies. They are the final arbiters of what the results are, not the fans. The fact that didn't do anything wrong in the Giro 2011 is completely irrelevant.

You may of course employ your own idiosyncratic definition of "having won" to award Contador the 2011 Giro, or even every Giro of the last decade, but the official results are that he's currently in possession of 1.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Eh, he won the 2011 Giro (note the past tense), he's just no longer listed as the official winner.

 

[Califootman]

First Vuelta-Giro double since Rominger in '93-'94. Joins Rominger, Merckx, Gimondi, and Anquetil as the only ones to have completed that feat.