Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[BlurryVII]

He should quit but he won't. He says he's feeling tired already, couldn't breath ect, it's dead over.

He is worse than he was in Tour de San luis 2013, this is ridiculous. Once again, Froome is peaking exactly when all the others are in horrific shape.

Look at Nibali, not even the shadow of what he was last year, Contador a minute behind Gallopin, not gonna forget that. At the end of the day, only Quintana and Valverde are more or less at their level or what they usually show. That's frustrating

 

[Red Rick]

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He should quit but he won't. He says he's feeling tired already, couldn't breath ect, it's dead over.

He is worse than he was in Tour de San luis 2013, this is ridiculous. Once again, Froome is peaking exactly when all the others are in horrific shape.

Look at Nibali, not even the shadow of what he was last year, Contador a minute behind Gallopin, not gonna forget that. At the end of the day, only Quintana and Valverde are more or less at their level or what they usually show. That's frustrating

Right on the money

 

[Scarponi]

I know Contador says winning a GT wont add to his palmares but surely not winning the tdF for 5 years is motivation to show you can do it again. Surely he has to peak for Tour next year and go for the Giro- Veulta the next and retire

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He can't abandon.
It would be disgraceful.

It wouldn't be, no shame in admitting you're not up to it. But he won't.

Would be disrespectful not to ride the distance.
He can ride for the podium, stage... Team!

Podium is nothing for him.
Majka and Roman must be left off the leash. Alberto should finish in gruppetto tomorrow and get it over with. The team can ride for Sagan, and Majka, Roman and Alberto can go for mountain stage wins (though as I said I somehow doubt Froome would let Contador win a stage)

 

[Metabolol]

I will say this though that a Contador in top shape could have matched Froome. 2014 Contador would have gone toe-to-toe with Froome on this stage. But with this type or racing schedule and preparation it's just not possible. He is just going to get shelled stage after stage.

 

[SeriousSam]

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I will say this though that a Contador in top shape could have matched Froome. 2014 Contador would have gone toe-to-toe with Froome on this stage.

Based on what?

 

[rhubroma]

Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I know it's going to be painful, but I do think he should finish what he started.

I don't see the point.

 

[Captain_Obvious]

Bad day. Breathing problems. Rethinking strategy.

 

[ray j willings]

Like I said in previous posts Bertie looked tired. Froomes performance can only be put in perspective to the competition. Quintana very disappointing.
Bertie on top form has proved his equal ,dauphine stage were Froome went mental but could not drop Bertie.
But word of caution ,Bertie has not looked good this year even in his Giro victory. In 2014 Bertie looked back to his best in leading up to the tour crash. He has not looked that good this year. We don't know the physical condition Bertie has been in this year. He is still at a good age, it depends if he can get back to early 2014 shape again. If he can then he can win the tour if not then he wont win the tour again.
If I was Tinkov I would pull Bertie. He has nothing to prove, He may well get some form for a stage or 2 but he's not going to win GT so IMO better to rest and recuperate rather than push on for prides sake.
The double is real hard.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

Of course his legacy isn't ruined, don't be silly.

 

[Matteo.]

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Perhaps dropping hard by Landa in the Giro Washington a sign he just isn't that good this year?

Taxus , some times ago , asked me a similar question and i said that i needed to watch some stages of TdF.
well , now i can say it's true. Probably this year Berto is not good like 2014

 

[Miburo]

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Perhaps dropping hard by Landa in the Giro was a sign he just isn't that good this year?

There was the theory that was he was peaking for the tour but yea looks like that was a bad sign. Just not good enough this year, i guess he didn't learn his lesson in 2013

 

[rhubroma]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

Of course his legacy isn't ruined, don't be silly.

I'm not being silly at all. After this Tour he will have been crushed by Froome twice. It doesn't matter how many GT's he's won as far as his legacy is concerned, only how bad he lost to Froome in the Tours.

Sure he'll be remembered as a great champion who knew how to entertain, but Froome has made him look like a child in an adult world. In the end that's what people will remember.

 

[ray j willings]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

His legacy is ruined. How is it ruined ? what are you going on about. He went for the double and it did not work out. He kicked Froomes ass all last year, get some perspective.
Moderately good riders Schleck , Evans. Chicken. Armstrong etc all those riders would easily match and defeat Froome at their best in the mountains.....if Bertie can get his 2014 form back then he can beat Froome like he did in 2014. if he can do that is a wait and see. If you have Porte coming back at Quintana that tells you how good the competition is ....Its 2012/13 again.

 

[Miburo]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

Of course his legacy isn't ruined, don't be silly.

I'm not being silly at all. After this Tour he will have been crushed by Froome twice. It doesn't matter how many GT's he's won as far as his legacy is concerned, only how bad he lost to Froome in the Tours.

Sure he'll be remembered as a great champion who knew how to entertain, but Froome has made him look like a child in an adult world. In the end that's what people will remember.

Not really, contador won too against froome. And he did the giro this year, if he only did the tour then you've a point now not really

 

[arvc40]

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Perhaps dropping hard by Landa in the Giro was a sign he just isn't that good this year?

There was the theory that was he was peaking for the tour but yea looks like that was a bad sign. Just not good enough this year, i guess he didn't learn his lesson in 2013

He certainly regressed back to 2013 form !. Dreadful showing. Writing on the wall since day 1.

 

[cellardoor]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

Of course his legacy isn't ruined, don't be silly.

I'm not being silly at all. After this Tour he will have been crushed by Froome twice. It doesn't matter how many GT's he's won as far as his legacy is concerned, only how bad he lost to Froome in the Tours.

Sure he'll be remembered as a great champion who knew how to entertain, but Froome has made him look like a child in an adult world. In the end that's what people will remember.

Indurain was crushed by Riis (someone of his own era, not a newcomer like Ullrich) and humiliated in his final Vuelta. Yeah, people remember that of course, but they also still remember him as a great champion. Most great champions get beaten at some point, it's just how it goes.

 

[Jspear]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

Of course his legacy isn't ruined, don't be silly.

I'm not being silly at all. After this Tour he will have been crushed by Froome twice. It doesn't matter how many GT's he's won as far as his legacy is concerned, only how bad he lost to Froome in the Tours.

Sure he'll be remembered as a great champion who knew how to entertain, but Froome has made him look like a child in an adult world. In the end that's what people will remember.

I'll sure remember him for what he won.

 

[arvc40]

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Well he should not have tried the double with form like this in the Tour. It is blighting his career. Now Froome will be the undisputed stronger of the two. After all, isn't this what it's all about.

Froome began his career as a nobody, Contador almost immediately rose to the top, but he was going against Shleck and other moderately good riders.

I could not care less either way, but AC should have known better how to pick his fights, because his legacy is ruined. What can he do now? Try to beat Froome next year in the Tour?

Of course his legacy isn't ruined, don't be silly.

I'm not being silly at all. After this Tour he will have been crushed by Froome twice. It doesn't matter how many GT's he's won as far as his legacy is concerned, only how bad he lost to Froome in the Tours.

Sure he'll be remembered as a great champion who knew how to entertain, but Froome has made him look like a child in an adult world. In the end that's what people will remember.

Indurain was crushed by Riis (someone of his own era, not a newcomer like Ullrich) and humiliated in his final Vuelta. Yeah, people remember that of course, but they also still remember him as a great champion. Most great champions get beaten at some point, it's just how it goes.

Contador not even shown up ready this year. Very disappointed. He says he's done everything to be ready and looking at him he simply has not.

 

[dacooley]

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He should quit but he won't. He says he's feeling tired already, couldn't breath ect, it's dead over.

He is worse than he was in Tour de San luis 2013, this is ridiculous. Once again, Froome is peaking exactly when all the others are in horrific shape.

are you serious on that being the main reason of froome winning? sounds like a private bitterness

 

[rhubroma]

The Tour is bigger than any other race, the best come into it with their best form. Contador has not even been close to Froome on two occasions. He's had his chances, but failed miserably. This is a problem as far his legacy is concerned. Say whatever you guys want, but until Contador beats Froome at the Tour his legacy, has it has stood so far, is ruined.

I'm not say this to provocate, but Contador just hasn't understood what he was up against and this, after the last two years, is frankly unexcusable.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I'll sure remember him for what he won.

Exactly. Don't think anyone except some clueless Sky fanboys will remember him as the rider that got dropped by the Magnificent Chris Froome.

 

[Miburo]

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The Tour is bigger than any other race, the best come into it with their best form. Contador has not even been close to Froome on two occasions. He's had his chances, but failed miserably. This is a problem as far his legacy is concerned. Say whatever you guys want, but until Contador beats Froome at the Tour his legacy, has it has stood so far, is ruined.

I'm not say this to provocate, but Contador just hasn't understood what he was up against and this, after the last two years, is frankly unexcusable.

Wow you're dumb like wow.

So the guy who crushed many GT's winning in total 7 or 9. Winning many stage races, being for a few years the absolute best where it's not even a question if he would win but by how much.

That whole legacy is gone cause he got destroyed by froome in his worst year and in the year he won the giro?

Tainted yea but not gone idiot.

Yea mod delete the post, if you can't call out idiots anymore.

 

[bajbar]

Contador seems to have gotten to a point, where he has one amazing year, followed by one lackluster. Last year he was amazing, this year (and 2013) not so much. OK, he has won the Giro, but I haven't seen a single stage where he would do to everyone else even half what Froome did to everyone today. If that is the case, then he will be on top of things next year again (hopefully). But how is it possible, that you are so good one year, and so bad the next. Surely there must be a reason...