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1) Landa took way more time in the mountains on Contador than Quintana did on Froome. IIRC Quintana took what -30 seconds-1 minute? Landa took something lik 2.20.
2) Landa beat Contador in stage wins 2-0 (should have been 3-0 but Astana). Quintana beat froome, oh wait he didn't beat froome he actually lost. 0-1.
3) Landa was 2nd in KOM (should have been 1st but Astana) vs Contador 10th. Froome won KOM vs Quintana 2nd/3rd.
Those are irrelevant arguments.
Sorry but being ahead in KOM, or in stage wins has nothing to do with being the best climber. It's just about the time taken, where Quintana has the advantage.
He didn't win Alpe d'huez or Toussuire because of breakaway circumstances which Froome didn't have on PSM. Therefore, he couldn't take maximum points either.
He absolutely smashed Nibali as well. And Valverde. While pulling for Wiggins and also excelling in tts. Extremely strong time on Peyresoudes too.
You haven't proved anything here. Contador is much better than Nibali.
And Froome still showed nothing, he was just pulling and looking easy. Contador and rodriguez in the Vuelta were much, much better uphill than Wiggins in that Tour . In numbers as well.
Froome got annihilated. There's absolutely no way Froome was the best climber in 2012, it's wishful thinking.
No Vuelta wasn't enough.
Or do you think Chris Horner would have beaten Nibali at the Tour? Or could Cobo beat Froome? Or Mosquera beat Nibali etc.
Vuelta isn't the Tour. the Tour is the Tour. That is where the best gt rider and best climber is decided.
Unfortunately, the Armstrong era is over. The best GT rider and climber is no more the Tour winner.
Contador from the Giro 11' was much better climber than Evans, Contador / Rodriguez Vuelta 12' miles better than Wiggins, Contador was the best climber of 2014 and not Nibali, the Tour winner.
To take your example, I think Horner Vuelta 13' definitely could've possibly been a better climber than Nibali Tour 14'.
At the end of the day, Nibali gave his best and lost that Vuelta to Horner by being worse, same for Froome in 2011 - 2012 and 2014.
The great Froome who won the Tour twice now, hasn't won the Vuelta in 3 participations. Sorry, but being in yellow in Paris doesn't mean being the best anymore.