Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[portugal11]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

A big lol for you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

But he hasn't won 10 GTs (yet )

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

A big lol for you.

Andylina > Nairito to be honest.
Seriously, Berto beat Evans, Leipo, Ricco, Sella, Di Luca, Sastre, Schlecks, Armstrong, Wiggo, Menchov, Nibali, Valverde, Purito, Froome, Aru in GTs. That's some quality.

 

[pink_jersey]

Re: Re:

Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

A big lol for you.

Andylina > Nairito to be honest.
Seriously, Berto beat Evans, Leipo, Ricco, Sella, Di Luca, Sastre, Schlecks, Armstrong, Wiggo, Menchov, Nibali, Valverde, Purito, Froome, Aru in GTs. That's some quality.

Maybe Andy = Nairo...Andy was really strong just in 2010 where he should have won. In 2009 he wasn't super strong. Still, he's Alberto biggest rival. 2007 Evans 2nd(he would've been beaten by Rasmussen still). Froome 3rd. In Giro 2008 Contador was in *** shape so I really don't count Ricco. Contador would have beat him like he beat Andy in 2009 if he was in shape.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

A big lol for you.

Andylina > Nairito to be honest.
Seriously, Berto beat Evans, Leipo, Ricco, Sella, Di Luca, Sastre, Schlecks, Armstrong, Wiggo, Menchov, Nibali, Valverde, Purito, Froome, Aru in GTs. That's some quality.

But Nairo has Contador - who has beaten all of those - as a rival. And has beaten him the times they've faced each other. That said, I do agree that Contador has faced a lot of good riders. He's competed for 10 years though.

 

[Jakub]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

A big lol for you.

Andylina > Nairito to be honest.
Seriously, Berto beat Evans, Leipo, Ricco, Sella, Di Luca, Sastre, Schlecks, Armstrong, Wiggo, Menchov, Nibali, Valverde, Purito, Froome, Aru in GTs. That's some quality.

Maybe Andy = Nairo...Andy was really strong just in 2010 where he should have won. In 2009 he wasn't super strong. Still, he's Alberto biggest rival. 2007 Evans 2nd(he would've been beaten by Rasmussen still). Froome 3rd. In Giro 2008 Contador was in **** shape so I really don't count Ricco. Contador would have beat him like he beat Andy in 2009 if he was in shape.

No. in 2010 Andy Schleck was as good as Bertie regarding climbing. Bertie was of course far better in tt, so Bertie should have won just like he did. the chain seconds were only a revenge for seconds from that stupid crash stage, it was the super stage when Cancellara suddenly forgot to do his silly pathetic actions of dancing with directors car and helped Andy to take advantage of a crash.

I remember being very satisfied with Roman at that time - in an interview he said practicall the same as I wrote now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

A big lol for you.

Andylina > Nairito to be honest.
Seriously, Berto beat Evans, Leipo, Ricco, Sella, Di Luca, Sastre, Schlecks, Armstrong, Wiggo, Menchov, Nibali, Valverde, Purito, Froome, Aru in GTs. That's some quality.

But Nairo has Contador - who has beaten all of those - as a rival. And has beaten him the times they've faced each other. That said, I do agree that Contador has faced a lot of good riders. He's competed for 10 years though.

That's the point. This will be (hopefully) his 10th year at the top and he's still among the very best. Look at how many great riders he's beaten. That's 3 "generations" if not 4. Froome and Nairo don't even come close. Let's see where they are in 6-7 years.

 

[rhubroma]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

You can't rewrite the past. In any case, Froome was around for several years (he's been a pro since 2007, the year AC won his first Tour ) but that didn't prevent AC from winning. This makes your comment both inaccurate and pretty stupid.

 

[Miburo]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

Why must you go so far over the top? How can he be what you say, being 2nd in Tour twice, winning a Giro, all before he is even 26 years old? What had you done with your life at 26 to make you so damn high and mighty?

I'm good, i got a masters degree in law, good enough for me. Not sure how it's relevant in this discussion though.

Quintana is a pussy, he has proven it in the tour.

 

[dacooley]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

You can't rewrite the past. In any case, Froome was around for several years (he's been a pro since 2007, the year AC won his first Tour ) but that didn't prevent AC from winning. This makes your comment both inaccurate and pretty stupid.

what accuracy do you expect from me in the thread where comments are basically based on positive hopes, dreams, wishes and other kinds of emotional outbursts? that's just my opinion. let's agree to disagree that quintana has been a real lucky that he could win something in the absence of in-form bertie.

 

[rhubroma]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

You can't rewrite the past. In any case, Froome was around for several years (he's been a pro since 2007, the year AC won his first Tour ) but that didn't prevent AC from winning. This makes your comment both inaccurate and pretty stupid.

what accuracy do you expect from me in the thread where comments are basically based on positive hopes, dreams, wishes and other kinds of emotional outbursts? that's just my opinion. let's agree to disagree that quintana has been a real lucky that he could win something in the absence of in-form bertie.

Sport is emotional outburst, for those participating and for those watching. On your last comment within the context of this discussion I'm confused. In any case every athlete's career is "fortunate," though I don't think that Contador was particularly lucky to have won the events he participated in during their moments.

What perplexes me, by contrast, is how certain riders show up as mediocre at best early and then become aliens down the road.

 

[Angliru]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

To use this comparison at the twilight of his career is curious. Where was Froome when Contador was at the height of his powers? Hanging on to team cars in the mountains of grand tours and zig-zagging up climbs when the road pointed upward. As far as Quintana, what grand tours has he won at the expense of Contador?

 

[Angliru]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

Why must you go so far over the top? How can he be what you say, being 2nd in Tour twice, winning a Giro, all before he is even 26 years old? What had you done with your life at 26 to make you so damn high and mighty?

I'm good, i got a masters degree in law, good enough for me. Not sure how it's relevant in this discussion though.

Quintana is a pussy, he has proven it in the tour.

The name calling ("coward" is another) just seems uncalled for and for some reason it really bothers me. I'll just keep my annoyance with this particular matter to myself from now on.

 

[Miburo]

If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

 

[KyoGrey]

Please, let's not compare this guy:

to the one and only:

Notice how both of them are celebrating. But not both of them are celebrating a race-winning signature long range attack.

 

[cantpedal]

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If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

And you using language like that in a public forum after the age of 13 shows a lot of class, maturity
and intellect. Thanks for keeping your standards so high.

 

[Jspear]

Please, let's not compare this guy:

to the one and only:

Notice how both of them are celebrating. But not both of them are celebrating a race-winning signature long range attack.

That second photo brings back some great memories.
I had become content with Jrod winning the 2012 Vuelta; my reasoning was that AC had just come back and I couldn't be too upset with him losing. I woke up late the next day, check the news and literally screamed out loud after seeing the results. I loved that stage!

 

[42x16ss]

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Quintana is a pussy, this guy is lucky contador isn't the same age as him cause otherwise he wouldn't have won **** in his career.

the opposite side of the medal is that bertie's career is very fortunate too, if contador had the opponents of nairito's and froome's calibre throughout his whole career he wouldn't have won 10 grand tours that's for sure.

To use this comparison at the twilight of his career is curious. Where was Froome when Contador was at the height of his powers? Hanging on to team cars in the mountains of grand tours and zig-zagging up climbs when the road pointed upward. As far as Quintana, what grand tours has he won at the expense of Contador?

Easy up there pal, it was a motorbike, not a team car

Edit: You also forgot crashing into commissaires

 

[dacooley]

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If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

what a rider should do if he's physically weaker as quintana apparently was before the toussuire stage? making a suicide attack, kicking himself out of top 5 and taking so much appreciation on cn forum boards. you are utterly harsh to nairito imo. honestly, i fail to make out a big difference between the 2015 tour from quintana and the 2007 tour frome contador before the chicken was forcibly sent home.

 

[BlurryVII]

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If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

what a rider should do if he's physically weaker as quintana apparently was before the toussuire stage? making a suicide attack, kicking himself out of top 5 and taking so much appreciation on cn forum boards. you are utterly harsh to nairito imo. honestly, i fail to make out a big difference between the 2015 tour from quintana and the 2007 tour frome contador before the chicken was forcibly sent home.

Oh not much lol. 2007 Contador just did close to a dozens attacks on Plateau de Beille/ peyresourde / Aubisque and actually attacked and dropped everyone with 40 kms to go on Galibier and would've made it stick if it wasn't for the huge flat part between Galibier and the short climb at Briancon.

 

[dacooley]

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If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

what a rider should do if he's physically weaker as quintana apparently was before the toussuire stage? making a suicide attack, kicking himself out of top 5 and taking so much appreciation on cn forum boards. you are utterly harsh to nairito imo. honestly, i fail to make out a big difference between the 2015 tour from quintana and the 2007 tour frome contador before the chicken was forcibly sent home.

Oh not much lol. 2007 Contador just did close to a dozens attacks on Plateau de Beille/ peyresourde / Aubisque and actually attacked and dropped everyone with 40 kms to go on Galibier and would've made it stick if it wasn't for the huge flat part between Galibier and the short climb at Briancon.

and the result of those attacks was...?

 

[Jspear]

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If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

what a rider should do if he's physically weaker as quintana apparently was before the toussuire stage? making a suicide attack, kicking himself out of top 5 and taking so much appreciation on cn forum boards. you are utterly harsh to nairito imo. honestly, i fail to make out a big difference between the 2015 tour from quintana and the 2007 tour frome contador before the chicken was forcibly sent home.

Oh not much lol. 2007 Contador just did close to a dozens attacks on Plateau de Beille/ peyresourde / Aubisque and actually attacked and dropped everyone with 40 kms to go on Galibier and would've made it stick if it wasn't for the huge flat part between Galibier and the short climb at Briancon.

and the result of those attacks was...?

That's not the point. You said you failed to see the difference between them; the difference was AC tried - Quintana didn't try like that. I bet if he had, he would have been even closer to Froome or even won the 2015 Tour.

 

[BlurryVII]

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If you don't ride for the victory when your 2nd place is already certain, you're a pussy. It's not name calling, it's a fact.

what a rider should do if he's physically weaker as quintana apparently was before the toussuire stage? making a suicide attack, kicking himself out of top 5 and taking so much appreciation on cn forum boards. you are utterly harsh to nairito imo. honestly, i fail to make out a big difference between the 2015 tour from quintana and the 2007 tour frome contador before the chicken was forcibly sent home.

Oh not much lol. 2007 Contador just did close to a dozens attacks on Plateau de Beille/ peyresourde / Aubisque and actually attacked and dropped everyone with 40 kms to go on Galibier and would've made it stick if it wasn't for the huge flat part between Galibier and the short climb at Briancon.

and the result of those attacks was...?

Do you even know what Miburo is talking about here? Quintana almost didn't do *** to try and win the Tour, he's a wheelsucker and was afraid to lose his 2nd place.
That is nothing compared to the recklessness of Contador in the Tour 2007.

Now if you want to compare their form, well obviously 2007 Contador was better than 2015 Quintana.

 

[BlurryVII]

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That's not the point. You said you failed to see the difference between them; the difference was AC tried - Quintana didn't try like that. I bet if he had, he would have been even closer to Froome or even won the 2015 Tour.

Someone with a brain, yay.

 

[rhubroma]

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I agree on Aru vs Quintana. I just don't see Quintana having the game - he's a conservative rider. And hasn't lived up to the hype of early development.

Quintana is indeed quite a conservative rider. Or at least he's the most conservative of the "big 4" GC men. But I can't really agree that he hasn't lived up to the hype. In the last three years he has won the Giro and come second to Froome twice in the Tour. That's an excellent record for someone who is more a specialist climber than a balanced GC rider. On the evidence of last year he may well be the very best climber, at the very worst he's been in a class of two on recent years performances.

If you're talking about the last two years, then you'd have to make that a class of 4. I'd put Contador and Nibali in that same group in 2014.

What is interesting, if not to say weird, is why Contador wasn't at 2014 level last year (especially if he returns to it this one) and why Nibali (after a fine opening TT) was up-and-down at the Tour, but arguably found his top form again at the end of the season?

As far as Quintana is concerned, were it not for bad positioning on the windy stage, arguably he could have won the Tour when Froome cracked late in the race. What sealed the Colombian's fate was not a lack of balls, however, but getting dropped by Froome on the first MTF. You can't fault him for not trying there.

I still don't get what upset AC's preparation in 2015. He won the Giro, but you could see he wasn't in 2014 shape. Had he been, I bet after an expected undertone start at the Tour, he'd have been firing on all cilanders by the high mountains (like Pantani in 98). Was it Riis leaving? Was he mentally distracted? Were there other forces at work?