Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[ray j willings]

Its actually the wrong thread to discuss the tour 2014 again but whenever this topic is discussed I have the feeling that everyone forgets that Nibali was just super strong in that tour. If you ask me, I don't hink Contador would have been able to beat Nibali that year. Taking 2.5 minutes back from a Nibali who dominated the rest of the peloton like they were school kids is anything but easy.

Well, but the same I say is not so impresive Contador put 3 seconds in a 1.8 hard climb lokking at Quintana- Froome current potential, looking at 2.5 minutes to Nibali is to take into accountl, becouse is was a really rainy day, the best environment for Nibali. I am not sure about that, Nibali was strong and 2,5 minutes is time, but posible for Contador.

But what I sayin relation with the treath is in that in the only day could Froome showed how superstrong he was and that good level of Contador in le Tour 2014 IMO is not enough to beat Froome or Quintana, althogh is a level to try to win with strategy, with luck, with wheater, with is ambition and reading of the race... something similar to the Giro 2015.

Here is some truth. Froome in week 3 of a tour struggles. Quintana was the best climber in last year's tour.
Bertie is consistent and stronger than froome over 3 weeks
2014 Bertie kicked every ones as%. Froome could not drop Bertie going full gas at the dauphine
Come July and the aggression of aru in the 3rd week will see froome struggle to even make the podium

 

[rick james]

Its actually the wrong thread to discuss the tour 2014 again but whenever this topic is discussed I have the feeling that everyone forgets that Nibali was just super strong in that tour. If you ask me, I don't hink Contador would have been able to beat Nibali that year. Taking 2.5 minutes back from a Nibali who dominated the rest of the peloton like they were school kids is anything but easy.

Well, but the same I say is not so impresive Contador put 3 seconds in a 1.8 hard climb lokking at Quintana- Froome current potential, looking at 2.5 minutes to Nibali is to take into accountl, becouse is was a really rainy day, the best environment for Nibali. I am not sure about that, Nibali was strong and 2,5 minutes is time, but posible for Contador.

But what I sayin relation with the treath is in that in the only day could Froome showed how superstrong he was and that good level of Contador in le Tour 2014 IMO is not enough to beat Froome or Quintana, althogh is a level to try to win with strategy, with luck, with wheater, with is ambition and reading of the race... something similar to the Giro 2015.

Here is some truth. Froome in week 3 of a tour struggles. Quintana was the best climber in last year's tour.
Bertie is consistent and stronger than froome over 3 weeks
2014 Bertie kicked every ones as%. Froome could not drop Bertie going full gas at the dauphine
Come July and the aggression of aru in the 3rd week will see froome struggle to even make the podium

Its almost like you ignore the fact that Froome as won the TDF twice

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Its almost like you ignore the fact that Froome as won the TDF twice

Froome's won as many TDFs as Contador.

 

[rick james]

Its almost like you ignore the fact that Froome as won the TDF twice

Froome's won as many TDFs as Contador.

spreading lies are we now?

 

[ray j willings]

Its actually the wrong thread to discuss the tour 2014 again but whenever this topic is discussed I have the feeling that everyone forgets that Nibali was just super strong in that tour. If you ask me, I don't hink Contador would have been able to beat Nibali that year. Taking 2.5 minutes back from a Nibali who dominated the rest of the peloton like they were school kids is anything but easy.

Well, but the same I say is not so impresive Contador put 3 seconds in a 1.8 hard climb lokking at Quintana- Froome current potential, looking at 2.5 minutes to Nibali is to take into accountl, becouse is was a really rainy day, the best environment for Nibali. I am not sure about that, Nibali was strong and 2,5 minutes is time, but posible for Contador.

But what I sayin relation with the treath is in that in the only day could Froome showed how superstrong he was and that good level of Contador in le Tour 2014 IMO is not enough to beat Froome or Quintana, althogh is a level to try to win with strategy, with luck, with wheater, with is ambition and reading of the race... something similar to the Giro 2015.

Here is some truth. Froome in week 3 of a tour struggles. Quintana was the best climber in last year's tour.
Bertie is consistent and stronger than froome over 3 weeks
2014 Bertie kicked every ones as%. Froome could not drop Bertie going full gas at the dauphine
Come July and the aggression of aru in the 3rd week will see froome struggle to even make the podium

Its almost like you ignore the fact that Froome as won the TDF twice

Its almost like you are avoiding the points being made.
2013 bertie was having a nightmare
2015 bertie rode the giro before the tour .
2014 they were mano v mano "no excuses" Bertie was to strong and there was the vuelta

Both of Froomes tour wins he lost time in the last week to stronger climbers.
He only won last year because of the wind split. Qunitana was the stronger climber.

You have to look at facts of Froomes tour wins. He has not faced a full on Bertie at the tour.
He has not had to deal with aggressive Astana ,Bertie has and kicked their as£ alone [ his team were useless]
Froome without Thomas dragging him around would have never won the tour last year. The last week and a half he was on his knees. He could not react to any of the attacks. He hung on by the skin of his stem.

Froome his a great rider but he's not the best climber and he has been fortunate in that he has faced mostly poor opposition and poor tactics.
He would never cope against the likes of a in form schleck or chicken or Bertie he cant respond in week 3 to that kind of aggressive racing.

Froome is a worthy tour win and last year he rode bravely to hang on. But in all reality if Quintana/movie were more aggressive with their tactics Froome would have been beaten.
Wait and see what happens when Froome has to deal with a bonkers Astana in the 3rd week of a tour. He will capitulate

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Its almost like you ignore the fact that Froome as won the TDF twice

Froome's won as many TDFs as Contador.

spreading lies are we now?

2007-2009

2013-2015

I rest my case.

 

[rick james]

Its almost like you ignore the fact that Froome as won the TDF twice

Froome's won as many TDFs as Contador.

spreading lies are we now?

2007-2009

2013-2015

I rest my case.

History was always show he cheated to win them, they are void

 

[LaFlorecita]

Why are people comparing Froome to Contador I mean Contador won 9 (nine)Gts in 9 years Froome has 2, Alberto has been the reference for 9 (nine) years, just take your garbage to the Froome thread where it belongs. His name shouldn't even be named in the same sentence as Alberto's, Alberto is a legend and one of the greatest stage racers ever. 3rd most GT wins after Merckx and Hinault. Only one to win all 3 GTs 3 times. Froome can not even see Alberto's silhouette on the horizon from his place in the history of cycling. He is literally thousands of miles behind. So stop making a fool of yourself and just admit that, just stop comparing them. Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Re:

Why are people comparing Froome to Contador I mean Contador won 9 (nine)Gts in 9 years Froome has 2, Alberto has been the reference for 9 (nine) years, just take your garbage to the Froome thread where it belongs. His name shouldn't even be named in the same sentence as Alberto's, Alberto is a legend and one of the greatest stage racers ever. 3rd most GT wins after Merckx and Hinault. Only one to win all 3 GTs 3 times. Froome can not even see Alberto's silhouette on the horizon from his place in the history of cycling. He is literally thousands of miles behind. So stop making a fool of yourself and just admit that, just stop comparing them. Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

If your point is that Contador should be above the rules everyone else has to abide by, take it to The Clinic.

 

[Hayabusa]

Contador has 7 (Seven) GTs. You can't count those he was disqualified from (so the 3x 3 GTs also doesn't work), Alberto leaves another legacy in that regard. An impressive rider but does Froome belong at the same level as Contador currently? Yes.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Contador has 7 (Seven) GTs. You can't count those he was disqualified from (so the 3x 3 GTs also doesn't work), Alberto leaves another legacy in that regard. An impressive rider but does Froome belong at the same level as Contador currently? Yes.

Not in a million years but sure keep believing in fairy stories.

 

[LaFlorecita]

ON TOPIC
I see Alberto got 1s back today, 7s behind now, he will go all in on the final stage

 

[Hayabusa]

Re: Re:

Contador has 7 (Seven) GTs. You can't count those he was disqualified from (so the 3x 3 GTs also doesn't work), Alberto leaves another legacy in that regard. An impressive rider but does Froome belong at the same level as Contador currently? Yes.

Not in a million years but sure keep believing in fairy stories.

Why does it matter to you so much what other people think? There's no need to be so worked up about it.

There can be more than one top class GT rider in the peloton. Currently we have 4. Nibali and Quintana are on Contador's level currently as well (and by that I mean they're on his level now, rather than in terms of historic achievements).

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

Thats the spirit, go get them girl!

Seriously, that's what makes Contador-fans the worst: If you don't agree with me, then you are fool without a brain. It's like... impossible to try to have a decent debate.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

Thats the spirit, go get them girl!

Seriously, that's what makes Contador-fans the worst: If you don't agree with me, then you are fool without a brain. It's like... impossible to try to have a decent debate.

How do you debate with Sky fans? They are so brainwashed they almost appear to live in an alternate universe in which Sky riders are automatically the best riders on par with any legend of cycling - fools

 

[ray j willings]

"His name shouldn't even be named in the same sentence as Alberto's, Alberto is a legend and one of the greatest stage racers "

IMO, greatest GT champion of all . At his best he his/was untouchable and he was up against much better competition back in the day.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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If your point is that Contador should be above the rules everyone else has to abide by, take it to The Clinic.

I made a nice image in paint for people like you, Alberto tweeted it on New Year's so you can go check it out if you want to be educated (I know some people don't).

 

[LaFlorecita]

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"His name shouldn't even be named in the same sentence as Alberto's, Alberto is a legend and one of the greatest stage racers "

IMO, greatest GT champion of all . At his best he his/was untouchable and he was up against much better competition back in the day.

I am not sure if he is the greatest ever but he sure is miles ahead of anyone still racing today

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

Thats the spirit, go get them girl!

Seriously, that's what makes Contador-fans the worst: If you don't agree with me, then you are fool without a brain. It's like... impossible to try to have a decent debate.

How do you debate with Sky fans? They are so brainwashed they almost appear to live in an alternate universe in which Sky riders are automatically the best riders on par with any legend of cycling - fools

But you guys seriously aren't much better, truth to be told from an objective POV (well, I guess I'm much more a fan of Contador than Froome).

 

[LaFlorecita]

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But you guys seriously aren't much better, truth to be told from an objective POV (well, I guess I'm much more a fan of Contador than Froome).

Ok whatever you want.

Now can we go back on topic which is "Alberto Contador" not "Chris Froome is the best cyclist ever and I dream about him every night" there is a thread better suited to that subject

 

[dacooley]

Re: Re:

Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

Thats the spirit, go get them girl!

Seriously, that's what makes Contador-fans the worst: If you don't agree with me, then you are fool without a brain. It's like... impossible to try to have a decent debate.

+1. it's ok to like alberto, admire him as a rider and personality, enjoy this genius on bike. but when adoration boarders with desrespectful and derogaroty remarks adressed to his opponents, starting from valverde and purito and ending with tejay, not to mention about sky, it frightens. if bertie took his rivals the way some of his fan do, he would never been able to become a legend, as apart from huge talent and hardwork, one of the fundamentals of why he's on top for so long is the objective attitude to himself and other riders. surely, contador is not blame for it and living in his own reality but it's the thing which spoils his image on the forumboard, that's for sure.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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But you guys seriously aren't much better, truth to be told from an objective POV (well, I guess I'm much more a fan of Contador than Froome).

I'm not a Froome fan either (in 2013 I was rooting for Purito and in 2015 for Lo Squalo). But hey, what do I know, expressing a dissenting opinion automatically makes me a brainless Skybot.

 

[damian13ster]

Re: Re:

Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

Thats the spirit, go get them girl!

Seriously, that's what makes Contador-fans the worst: If you don't agree with me, then you are fool without a brain. It's like... impossible to try to have a decent debate.

+1. it's ok to like alberto, admire him as a rider and personality, enjoy this genius on bike. but when adoration boarders with desrespectful and derogaroty remarks adressed to his opponents, starting from valverde and purito and ending with tejay, not to mention about sky, it frightens. if bertie took his rivals the way some of his fan do, he would never been able to become a legend, as apart from huge talent and hardwork, one of the fundamentals of why he's on top for so long is the objective attitude to himself and other riders. surely, contador is not blame for it and living in his own reality but it's the thing which spoils his image on the forumboard, that's for sure.

Shhh, dont try to introduce logic here. Many have tried but the small army led by LaFlo always takes over in the end.

Convicted Doper -----MS Paint----> Hero, and the argument pretty much ends there.
Let them have it this one thread when there is no place for facts, and they can live in their own world.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Anyone with a brain knows that Contador is 10 times greater than Froome.

Thats the spirit, go get them girl!

Seriously, that's what makes Contador-fans the worst: If you don't agree with me, then you are fool without a brain. It's like... impossible to try to have a decent debate.

+1. it's ok to like alberto, admire him as a rider and personality, enjoy this genius on bike. but when adoration boarders with desrespectful and derogaroty remarks adressed to his opponents, starting from valverde and purito and ending with tejay, not to mention about sky, it frightens. if bertie took his rivals the way some of his fan do, he would never been able to become a legend, as apart from huge talent and hardwork, one of the fundamentals of why he's on top for so long is the objective attitude to himself and other riders. surely, contador is not blame for it and living in his own reality but it's the thing which spoils his image on the forumboard, that's for sure.

Shhh, dont try to introduce logic here. Many have tried but the small army led by LaFlo always takes over in the end.


Convicted Doper -----MS Paint----> Hero, and the argument pretty much ends there.
Let them have it this one thread when there is no place for facts, and they can live in their own world.

Army of truth

 

[bajbar]

With being a fan of a certain sportsperson it comes automatically, that you develop a certain feeling towards them. When you find a character, that you are going to cheer for, and if you are realy passionate about it you basically win when they do and lose when they lose. It is like taht for some people (me included) that seeing their favourite win is the greatest pleasure they have. They feel superior for supporting the best guy. The problem comes, when your favourite is not the best (or cannot win). You feel like someone is taking your pleasure away. You unintentionally start hating that "other guy", even if you know it's wrong.

As I have seen myself, the worst thing about taking a lot of your pleasure and excitement from watching sports is that you cannot do anything about the outcome and that makes it very hard and depressing, when your favourite isn't doing well. If you are lucky you support athletes in differnet sports and at least some of them are winning. If not, things become really dull...