Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[BlurryVII]

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I think Froome and Quintana perfectly are able to cope with Aru since they are the 2 best climbers in the world.

Nope they're not, are you a July only fan?

Also Contador Tour 14' was not Contador Dauphiné 14'. Big difference. Just being near his Tour 14' level, is enough to be able to win the Tour 16'.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I think Froome and Quintana perfectly are able to cope with Aru since they are the 2 best climbers in the world.

Nope they're not, are you a July only fan?

Also Contador Tour 14' was not Contador Dauphiné 14'. Big difference. Just being near his Tour 14' level, is enough to be able to win the Tour 16'.

Do you have to insult me every time you disagree? Tell me who are better than those 2.

Contador distanced Nibali with what, 2 seconds? Thats not as stratospheric as you make it sound. By that logic, he would have beaten Froome comfortably in 2014 since he in 2016 only have to be near his 2014-level, not on par with it, while he also have to beat a two years older Quintana who recently beat him in Catalunya.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Contador distanced Nibali with what, 2 seconds? Thats not as stratospheric as you make it sound. By that logic, he would have beaten Froome comfortably in 2014 since he in 2016 only have to be near his 2014-level, not on par with it.

You don't seem to grasp the difference between 2014-level and Tour 14'- Level lol.

He was aiming to "peak" for that Tour. And he did.

AC was in mythical shape, Gerardmer was nothing but a taste for his rivals. The best was coming but then a stroke of bad luck happened to him, which didn't happen to Froome and Quintana in 13' and 15' so they had all the MTFs to show good they were

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I think Froome and Quintana perfectly are able to cope with Aru since they are the 2 best climbers in the world.

Nope they're not, are you a July only fan?

Also Contador Tour 14' was not Contador Dauphiné 14'. Big difference. Just being near his Tour 14' level, is enough to be able to win the Tour 16'.

Do you have to insult me every time you disagree? Tell me who are better than those 2.

Contador distanced Nibali with what, 2 seconds? Thats not as stratospheric as you make it sound. By that logic, he would have beaten Froome comfortably in 2014 since he in 2016 only have to be near his 2014-level, not on par with it.

Wow, what an insult. People are quickly offended here

Contador just didn't have the chance to show his full potential, at the Tour de freaking France, like Quintana and Froome did in 13' and 15', simple really.

Now if he's in form, he can distance them fair and square uphill. Like he already proved many times. You can disagree straight away, we're not going over the same redundant debate, but there's no telling me NQ and CF are better climbers than Contador, I already made it clear.

IF Contador is as good as in 2014, yes, he may be able to. Its silly to state that he doesn't even have to be at his best to win the Tour, but for now we can only analyse what has happened when they had met in Le Tour. A bad 2013 and a mediocre 2015 is part of it and shouldn't be any excuse for not delivering when it counts the most, on the biggest stage.
Tell me when Quintana ever has been distanced by Contador in a GT.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Contador distanced Nibali with what, 2 seconds? Thats not as stratospheric as you make it sound. By that logic, he would have beaten Froome comfortably in 2014 since he in 2016 only have to be near his 2014-level, not on par with it.

You don't seem to grasp the difference between 2014-level and Tour 14'- Level lol.

He was aiming to "peak" for that Tour. And he did.

AC was in mythical shape, Gerardmer was nothing but a taste for his rivals. The best was coming but then a stroke of bad luck happened to him, which didn't happen to Froome and Quintana in 13' and 15' so they had all the MTFs to show good they were

Ok, to you have apparently edited your post so i quoted something which you didn't mean to write after all.

Yes, I grasp the difference. You obviously do understand what I mean: By your logic, Contador would've beaten Froome comfortably in 2014. Isn't that what you are trying to say when Contador doesn't even need to be as good as in 2014 (Tour, obviously, I thought it was clear) in 2016 to beat Froome AND Quintana?

Anyways, have a good night. I'll be looking forward to see a 33 y/o Contador distance Froome and Quintana 'fair and square'. Because distancing Contador is apparently only 'fair and square' when he is at his absolutely best. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter, apparently!

 

[BlurryVII]

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Tell me when Quintana ever has been distanced by Contador in a GT.

He distanced him twice in la Vuelta 2014, on La Zubia and Valdelineares. Whatever.

Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

 

[cantpedal]

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Contador distanced Nibali with what, 2 seconds? Thats not as stratospheric as you make it sound. By that logic, he would have beaten Froome comfortably in 2014 since he in 2016 only have to be near his 2014-level, not on par with it.

You don't seem to grasp the difference between 2014-level and Tour 14'- Level lol.

He was aiming to "peak" for that Tour. And he did.

AC was in mythical shape, Gerardmer was nothing but a taste for his rivals. The best was coming but then a stroke of bad luck happened to him, which didn't happen to Froome and Quintana in 13' and 15' so they had all the MTFs to show good they were

the Myth part rings true - We never saw that years peak it was left on the pavement with a lot of skin. how good he was or wasn't is pure conjecture.

 

[BlurryVII]

See, it's easy to overcome circumstances, but when you put Froome and Quintana in the same spot, riding their second GT, they're even worse than AC. i.e Froome (Vuelta 12', 10 minutes off Contador) and Quintana (Vuelta 15', dropped everywhere).

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Tell me when Quintana ever has been distanced by Contador in a GT.

He distanced him twice in la Vuelta 2014, on La Zubia and Valdelineares. Whatever.

Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

Yes, you are right, Contador dropped Quintana with an enormous 12 seconds over 63 stages and 3 GT's. That day on La Zubia, what a day. And if I remember correctly, Quintana actually bridged the gap to Contador on Valdelinares. Whatever, Im sure you are right, Quintana got dropped on Valdelinares. Or actually, how do you define dropped - I mean, he technically dropped Quintana who then later bridged to Contador in ST, right? Whatever, you can have that as well.

He never has. On the contrary, he was leading La Vuelta until he crashed out, unfortunately. But Contador would've smashed him anyways, Im pretty sure thats not even a question. Heck, you have probably never even constructed the thought that something so completely unrealistic would've happen to Contador that year. And Quintana, the guy who barely won the Giro? Izi, pizi money.

He wasn't exactly dropped on every MTF, no. Did you watch the race? He more or less lost all his time on Andorra when he was sick.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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and Quintana (Vuelta 15', dropped everywhere).

You are so blatantly wrong that its funny. Holy crap. He lost 1.42 and ended 4th behind Aru and lost 3 minutes (!!) in Andorra. Do the math

 

[BlurryVII]

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Tell me when Quintana ever has been distanced by Contador in a GT.

He distanced him twice in la Vuelta 2014, on La Zubia and Valdelineares. Whatever.

Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

Yes, you are right, Contador dropped Quintana with an enormous 12 seconds over 63 stages and 3 GT's. That day on La Zubia, what a day. And if I remember correctly, Quintana actually bridged the gap to Contador on Valdelinares. Whatever, Im sure you are right, Quintana got dropped on Valdelinares. Or actually, how do you define dropped - I mean, he technically dropped Quintana who then later bridged to Contador in ST, right? Whatever, you can have that as well.

Lol, he bridged to Contador by wheelsucking Rodriguez and his teammate on the flatter last sector.

But anyways, like I said if you judge Contador by his Tour 13' and 15', then I might as well judge Quintana by his Vuelta 15' .

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Tell me when Quintana ever has been distanced by Contador in a GT.

He distanced him twice in la Vuelta 2014, on La Zubia and Valdelineares. Whatever.

Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

Yes, you are right, Contador dropped Quintana with an enormous 12 seconds over 63 stages and 3 GT's. That day on La Zubia, what a day. And if I remember correctly, Quintana actually bridged the gap to Contador on Valdelinares. Whatever, Im sure you are right, Quintana got dropped on Valdelinares. Or actually, how do you define dropped - I mean, he technically dropped Quintana who then later bridged to Contador in ST, right? Whatever, you can have that as well.

Lol, he bridged to Contador by wheelsucking Rodriguez and his teammate on the flatter last sector.

But anyways, like I said if you judge Contador by his Tour 13' and 15', then I might as well judge Quintana by his Vuelta 15' .

You do whatever you like and you feel is fair. My stance is still the same: Contador needs to bring his A-game and not just be 'near his Tour 2014-level' to win against Froome and Quintana in 2016 under normal circumstances which was what originally sparked this debate until it got personal. And I can't honestly believe that you have the audacity to disagree on that, but I guess the year of 2014 has some sort of mythical status among Contador-fans, something otherworldly, godly, which is something none of his competitors could even dream of sniffing at. And thats fine

 

[BlurryVII]

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and Quintana (Vuelta 15', dropped everywhere).

You are so blatantly wrong that its funny. Holy crap. He lost 1.42 and ended 4th behind Aru and lost 3 minutes (!!) in Andorra. Do the math

He lost 3 minutes because he was sick? You think I'd care about his supposed bad luck at this point lol.

Tour - Vuelta is nothing compared to Giro - Tour double anyways.

You know what would've been funny? Quintana going to the Tour 14' after the Giro to face Contador

Imagine no crashes. Damn!

 

[BlurryVII]

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but I guess the year of 2014 has some sort of mythical status among Contador-fans, something otherworldly, godly, which is something none of his competitors could even dream of sniffing at. And thats fine

Hmm, I don't think so. More for Quintana fans, since it's the only year he won a GT lol.

Good ol' Contador won 2 since then. Another Gg

 

[Valv.Piti]

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and Quintana (Vuelta 15', dropped everywhere).

You are so blatantly wrong that its funny. Holy crap. He lost 1.42 and ended 4th behind Aru and lost 3 minutes (!!) in Andorra. Do the math

He lost 3 minutes because he was sick? You think I'd care about his supposed bad luck at this point lol.

Tour - Vuelta is nothing compared to Giro - Tour double anyways.

You know what would've been funny? Quintana going to the Tour 14' after the Giro to face Contador

Imagine no crashes. Damn!

The only thing I disputed in your post was the fact you wrote he was dropped everywhere. I simply pointed out he didn't. Contador, on the other hand, lost +1.30 at all MTF's excluding Plateau de Beille and +3 at Alpe d Huez.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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but I guess the year of 2014 has some sort of mythical status among Contador-fans, something otherworldly, godly, which is something none of his competitors could even dream of sniffing at. And thats fine

Hmm, I don't think so. More for Quintana fans, since it's the only year he won a GT lol.

Contador won 2 since then. Another Gg

"AC was in mythical shape, Gerardmer was nothing but a taste for his rivals."
Funny, you wrote that a couple of hours ago.

I actually appreciate his 2013 and 2015 Tour more than his Giro. I dont think this will lead anywhere, so lets stop here.

 

[BlurryVII]

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and Quintana (Vuelta 15', dropped everywhere).

You are so blatantly wrong that its funny. Holy crap. He lost 1.42 and ended 4th behind Aru and lost 3 minutes (!!) in Andorra. Do the math

He lost 3 minutes because he was sick? You think I'd care about his supposed bad luck at this point lol.

Tour - Vuelta is nothing compared to Giro - Tour double anyways.

You know what would've been funny? Quintana going to the Tour 14' after the Giro to face Contador

Imagine no crashes. Damn!

Contador, on the other hand, lost +1.30 at all MTF's excluding Plateau de Beille and +3 at Alpe d Huez.

Yeah which goes back to the fact that Giro- Tour facing the best field at the Tour, is much harder than Tour - Vuelta, then facing Aru and Dumoulin as main competitors lol.

 

[dacooley]

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See, it's easy to overcome circumstances, but when you put Froome and Quintana in the same spot, riding their second GT, they're even worse than AC. i.e Froome (Vuelta 12', 10 minutes off Contador) and Quintana (Vuelta 15', dropped everywhere).

until bertie wins the 2016 tour, you are wrong

it's quite mysterious how contador who allegedly should have had to drop all the other blokes by 20-30 seconds the day before yesterday - yes, that was said in jest, some were sincerely hoping for it - couldn't gap nibali in gerardmer

 

[rick james]

Winning the stage by 30 seconds was not said in jest

 

[LaFlorecita]

Wow, this discussion is stupid. Movistar fanboys are clearly just as bad as Sky fanboys and how "shocking" that the two of them have found each other in this debate

 

[LaFlorecita]

Wait what!!! This is the Contador thread, I seriously thought I had opened the Quintana thread

 

[LaFlorecita]

Wow, so this entire discussion started because some nitpicker wanted to complain about the difference between "near" and "at" 2014 level, and we don't even know what was his exact level that year so it doesn't make a difference at all?

 

[dacooley]

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Wow, this discussion is stupid. Movistar fanboys are clearly just as bad as Sky fanboys and how "shocking" that the two of them have found each other in this debate

yeah, and ac fanboys as always on the most rational side of bias.

 

[Jakub]

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Wow, this discussion is stupid. Movistar fanboys are clearly just as bad as Sky fanboys and how "shocking" that the two of them have found each other in this debate

yeah, and ac fanboys as always on the most rational side of bias.

Since when is rational side of bias the anonym to bad?
Actually AC fans here are mostly based here in this discussion, describing their happiness, frustration, wishes, etc. Whereas skybots and movi fans are parasiting on them and discossions about riders which they themselves don't like or they want to masturbate their ego by showing how much rational they are by slagging some riders for sake of objectivity.

I would wish less Ac fans discussed with them, there is no point to react on their trolling.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I signed up here because I love to debate cycling and that's what I do, but I get the drift that the Contador-fans would much rather have their thread for themselves in order to live in some parellel in which Contador still is the best rider alive. Its obvious that when you have a thread about AC, you are also gonna compare him to his rivals, in this case Froome and Quintana, and when someone discredits them, basically as pushovers, it should obviously spark a discussion. In any thread.

But, if you disagree with Contador-fans, you are a troll, so there is no point in trying to discuss anything in here I feel, so I'll just leave you guys to yourself...