Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Vino attacks everyone]

Does the AC vs Quintana discussion even matter? the Angel will destroy both of them come July anyway Anyway, if AC is in decent shape he should destroy the tt and win the gc as long as he doesn't loose more time to Henao

 

[hrotha]

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Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

Wait, why are you mentioning this like it's Contador's shtick? He's tried it exactly once (voluntarily) during his whole career.

 

[Miburo]

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Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

Wait, why are you mentioning this like it's Contador's shtick? He's tried it exactly once (voluntarily) during his whole career.

Weren't there some reports that Contador promised Zomegnan prior to the tour of 2010 even that he was gonna race the giro next year?

 

[blackmamba]

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I signed up here because I love to debate cycling and that's what I do, but I get the drift that the Contador-fans would much rather have their thread for themselves in order to live in some parellel in which Contador still is the best rider alive. Its obvious that when you have a thread about AC, you are also gonna compare him to his rivals, in this case Froome and Quintana, and when someone discredits them, basically as pushovers, it should obviously spark a discussion. In any thread.

But, if you disagree with Contador-fans, you are a troll, so there is no point in trying to discuss anything in here I feel, so I'll just leave you guys to yourself...

No but when you disagree with proven facts/stats your looked as either delusional or a troll as you described yourself, it really is really easy!

 

[cantpedal]

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I signed up here because I love to debate cycling and that's what I do, but I get the drift that the Contador-fans would much rather have their thread for themselves in order to live in some parellel in which Contador still is the best rider alive. Its obvious that when you have a thread about AC, you are also gonna compare him to his rivals, in this case Froome and Quintana, and when someone discredits them, basically as pushovers, it should obviously spark a discussion. In any thread.

But, if you disagree with Contador-fans, you are a troll, so there is no point in trying to discuss anything in here I feel, so I'll just leave you guys to yourself...

No but when you disagree with proven facts/stats your looked as either delusional or a troll as you described yourself, it really is really easy!

Were you trying to prove his point?

 

[Jakub]

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Now, tell me, when did Quintana do the Tour after riding il Giro?

Where was he in La Vuelta 15 after riding the Tour? How did riding 2 GTs in a row affect him? Let me remember, he was dropped on every MTF lol. Gg.

Wait, why are you mentioning this like it's Contador's shtick? He's tried it exactly once (voluntarily) during his whole career.

Weren't there some reports that Contador promised Zomegnan prior to the tour of 2010 even that he was gonna race the giro next year?

Yes, I think so, he always wanted to ride Giro in 2011.

 

[hrotha]

Like I'm going to believe him when he says stuff like that.

 

[Miburo]

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Like I'm going to believe him when he says stuff like that.

Wasn't Contador who said it iirc. Besides at that point Riis already uttered the goal of doing the treble so it's very likely that it was actually the case.

Because at those times contador winning the tour was pretty much a given. Makes sense

 

[hrotha]

Yeah, the reports weren't quoting him directly but he had had to tell someone at some point or there would have been no story.

 

[Metabolol]

Based on what I have seen so far, Alberto could end up anywhere from 1-5 in the Tour. But if he wins, then it's going to be a very close run show. He is not going to destroy all of his opposition in the mountains as he has done on a few occasions in the past, team strength and reading the race will be golden. The main favourite is Froome, second favourite is Quintana. But I don't expect those guys to dominate the race either. FDJ and Pinot have stepped up their game and I expect fierce competition from the BMC guys. Aru, who hasn't shown that much so far will also be ready when he needs to be.

My predicition is that the Sky train will not be able to break the opposition as they did on La Pierre Saint-Martin etc. The others will be ready and time gaps will be much smaller. Froome may reach impressive numbers but I don't think those numbers will create the type of carnage as we have seen in the past.

Maybe I'm completely wrong and Froome and Quintana will just sail away. But I don't think so, I expect the above mentioned to really step up their game. Pinot has impressed me a lot.

 

[ad9898]

Well on that steep climb just only Quintana could stay with him and he looked rough, there was a good 15 secs between Alberto and Landa, if that's anything to go by he should be on for the overall

 

[ad9898]

Contador was very good today, everyone take heart

 

[blackmamba]

Contador schooled that landa hype pretty easy on that last AIa climb even catching Henao with ease aswell. Looked good today now tomorrow and the TT gonne be interesting to really see how he is.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Well on that steep climb just only Quintana could stay with him and he looked rough, there was a good 15 secs between Alberto and Landa, if that's anything to go by he should be on for the overall

On the top of Aia, Landa was atleast 30seconds down.

Nevertheless, he looked good today sustaining his attack up Aia. Henao could not sustain the pace

 

[Metabolol]

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Well on that steep climb just only Quintana could stay with him and he looked rough, there was a good 15 secs between Alberto and Landa, if that's anything to go by he should be on for the overall

Yes, from a GT perspective this was a step forward for Alberto. Although I do think he is a bit frustrated in regards to the results so far (more so than the base shape).

 

[Matteo.]

In this race , only Henao is stronger than him ( as Henao was the best rider in the last year edition).
Tomorrow , the colombian will try for sure to put some seconds but i think Alberto will not have problems
And finally , he'll win ITT and the GC

 

[Miburo]

Contador is the only one who has done 3 WT races this year and been highly competitive in all of them, being at least the second strongest.

Henao didn't race catalunya, quintana didn't do PN or TA. Contador was really good today, henao is a just a monster on those hills (prob the best in this world maybe froome) and contador closed the gap on him and was still able to attack afterwards. Good stuff

 

[Miburo]

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Yeah, the reports weren't quoting him directly but he had had to tell someone at some point or there would have been no story.

Could be Zomegnan would spread it

 

[blackmamba]

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Contador is the only one who has done 3 WT races this year and been highly competitive in all of them, being at least the second strongest.

Henao didn't race catalunya, quintana didn't do PN or TA. Contador was really good today, henao is a just a monster on those hills (prob the best in this world maybe froome) and contador closed the gap on him and was still able to attack afterwards. Good stuff

I agree Henao is suppose to be better at those steep gradient climbs anyway so today Contador definitely looked very strong it could seem Quintana was on the edge on Aia when trying to follow Contador. Also a good point about the 3 WT races, in PN he was the strongest, but duo to the cancelled stage it wasnt much he could do.

Overall good stuff now bring on the two most decisive days where we can really get a better look at wheres hes at!

 

[Carols]

He looked good today .

 

[ray j willings]

Bertie looked good . Purito would have been all over this a few years ago.
I expect big things tomorrow. I want to see Bertie lay it out there.
Beware aru.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Unfortunately, I could not see the race today, and it seems like I will miss tomorrow's finish as well. But from what I am reading, he looked good.
Regarding the overall, I don't think he can take time tomorrow. He just needs to make sure he doesn't lose any stupid seconds. Then, it comes down to the TT, and I really can't predict what the outcome would be. I guess, Henao will struggle having to pace himself uphill. Kelderman, if he doesn't lose time tomorrow, could do very well but could also choke. Quintana might not be able to match Alberto's speed uphill without having a wheel to suck and both him and Henao could lose time on the final flat part. Pinot, Costa and Samu could all ride great TTs, but Alberto did a very thorough recon of the stage, he knows exactly how he wants to ride it, so hopefully he will be strong and his knowledge of the parcours will deliver him the overall victory. Spilak could be a dangerous outsider by the way.

 

[Matteo.]

Now we are waiting for Blurry. Surely he'll say Alberto was bad..dropped like a stone by Henao

 

[ray j willings]

Bertie will tear it up tomorrow. I for one predict a riot

 

[Jelantik]

I wonder if he's playing a waiting game and so does Quintana. They both haven't shown their hands yet so far. Just followed here and there, and accelerate here and there but not enough to cause any alarm bell. Henao looks pretty good. He'll be hard to drop. Tomorrow will be the telling otherwise I would hear another it's not steep enough, too cold, too much responsibility, or whatever. I'm sure Quintana finally will unleash his wrath. And hope Bertie can match stride for stride or get the better of him and Henao.