Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[cantpedal]

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From 3,50 to 5,50.

And that is why those bettings odds mean nothing.
Was he likelier to win the tour yesterday than he is today? No. The outcome is fixed in time. The likelihood is fixed in time. Nothing that happens right now will chance that except for crashes and illness.
In short, nobody should care.

So you din't think it was more likely for Contador to win prior to the smackdown by Froome?

the fallacy is that odds are about a team or individual winning or losing. They are about the bookie winning or losing on that event. those odds are influenced by many things outside the true odds of any given outcome.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Frankly Sky will try to ground Contador to dust in the coming stages to reduce his level of confidence before the tour.
2014 he was miles ahead of the rest and he was able to match Froome.
2013-2015 he was in the mix but not outstanding and he got beaten by Froome.
2016 early races again he has not been outstanding. Froome may have the measure of him come july.

 

[webbie146]

Contador's cadence on the last climb yesterday was interesting. He choose for a lighter gear/higher cadence instead of grinding it o
Ut like he usualy does (from the small amount of footage I have seen)

 

[LaFlorecita]

Some really cool news I read today, the documentary "Following Contador" that focuses on the Fundacion Contador teams, will soon be a part of the in-flight video assortment of Singapore Airlines!

 

[Matteo.]

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Contador's cadence on the last climb yesterday was interesting. He choose for a lighter gear/higher cadence instead of grinding it o
Ut like he usualy does (from the small amount of footage I have seen)

Of course, when you don't have the legs you have to go agile

 

[Miburo]

Today Wuyts praised Contador in his column lol

I'm pretty sure he made this column before friday's stage, otherwise it would be froome. We call it an opportunist

 

[LaFlorecita]

Really curious to find out how he'll perform today, not going to panic just yet

 

[liamito]

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Really curious to find out how he'll perform today, not going to panic just yet

Chances of rain today are pretty much gone

 

[Captain_Obvious]

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Today Wuyts praised Contador in his column lol

I'm pretty sure he made this column before friday's stage, otherwise it would be froome. We call it an opportunist

Can you share? I love watchng Sporza but Wuyts' constant anti-Contador inuendo makes me switch to Eurosport sometimes.

 

[Matteo.]

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Really curious to find out how he'll perform today, not going to panic just yet

I can not believe it will be worse than yesterday. the last time he was so distressed was Finestre 2015 and after the spring of this year he can not continue like this

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Really curious to find out how he'll perform today, not going to panic just yet

Chances of rain today are pretty much gone

I read that it rained tonight though, that should help a bit.

 

[Singer01]

if i never get to see a top form contador going against a top form froome (for more than 1 stage - 2014 dauphine) it will be one of the greatest sporting regrets of my life.

 

[Carols]

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From 3,50 to 5,50.

And that is why those bettings odds mean nothing.
Was he likelier to win the tour yesterday than he is today? No. The outcome is fixed in time. The likelihood is fixed in time. Nothing that happens right now will chance that except for crashes and illness.
In short, nobody should care.

So you din't think it was more likely for Contador to win prior to the smackdown by Froome?

the fallacy is that odds are about a team or individual winning or losing. They are about the bookie winning or losing on that event. those odds are influenced by many things outside the true odds of any given outcome.

Spoken for truth.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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I still have faith. Season so far is less than 2014, but I think better than 2013 and 2015. Might do a long range attack on Sunday. Also should be good in the Tour ITTs and will win at least one.

I will do any bet that contador won't win any itt in this tour.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Looking at the racing this week, it seems clear that Toso absolutely HAS to be at the Tour. Benna is still not recovered and won't race the Tour which is a huge blow, and Toso is the only one besides Benna who can be trusted to deliver Alberto right where he needs to be in the final km.
However, I am scared the team will want a sort of leadout for Sagan. Normally Benna would take that role; but now they might want to take someone like Gatto or Blythe which might leave no room for Toso.

 

[Matteo.]

And Paulinho can sit quietly at home , is awful this year

 

[LaFlorecita]

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And Paulinho can sit quietly at home , is awful this year

Yeah, is he still in the race? I haven't seen him since stage 1

 

[buchanan]

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if i never get to see a top form contador going against a top form froome (for more than 1 stage - 2014 dauphine) it will be one of the greatest sporting regrets of my life.

Didn't you hear? Apparently that happened at the Vuelta 2014. Even though Froome was clearly not at his peak level at the 2014 Vuelta - and was battling in the mountains with the likes of Aru, Valverde and Purito and finished far back in the ITT. That was apparently still a top shape Froome according to some of the posters on this thread.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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if i never get to see a top form contador going against a top form froome (for more than 1 stage - 2014 dauphine) it will be one of the greatest sporting regrets of my life.

Didn't you hear? Apparently that happened at the Vuelta 2014. Even though Froome was clearly not at his peak level at the 2014 Vuelta - and was battling in the mountains with the likes of Aru, Valverde and Purito and finished far back in the ITT. That was apparently still a top shape Froome according to some of the posters on this thread.

No, you're twisting other posters' words. People argue that Froome and Contador were in similar shape at that race, so they can't be compared. Never did anyone write that Froome was in top shape.

 

[Carols]

Trek:
“We have the wish to make it with him but we’re still quite far,” added Guercilena.
“It’s not just speculation and rumour. We’re at the window and looking at him. If you want a percentage then 50-50 is a good number. If we can sign a name like him then I don’t need to wait until the Tour de France. I don’t need to see what he can do.”

Seems a decent spot for him, they have the infrastructure and the dollars. The problem is Trek bikes!

Plus Frank can finally take his rightful place in the sport when he doms for Alberto

 

[peloton]

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Looking at the racing this week, it seems clear that Toso absolutely HAS to be at the Tour. Benna is still not recovered and won't race the Tour which is a huge blow, and Toso is the only one besides Benna who can be trusted to deliver Alberto right where he needs to be in the final km.
However, I am scared the team will want a sort of leadout for Sagan. Normally Benna would take that role; but now they might want to take someone like Gatto or Blythe which might leave no room for Toso.

I'm more worried Oleg wanting a random Russian on the team, none of them have been very good this year.
Shame about Bennati, that is a big loss.

Today's stage will be interesting

 

[red zone]

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if i never get to see a top form contador going against a top form froome (for more than 1 stage - 2014 dauphine) it will be one of the greatest sporting regrets of my life.

Didn't you hear? Apparently that happened at the Vuelta 2014. Even though Froome was clearly not at his peak level at the 2014 Vuelta - and was battling in the mountains with the likes of Aru, Valverde and Purito and finished far back in the ITT. That was apparently still a top shape Froome according to some of the posters on this thread.

so any time he loses he isn't in top form ?

the problem he had in Vuelta 2014 wasn't his form but that he didn't have a dominate team which left him having to respond to multiple attacks by himself like the rest of the GC contenders which showed he isn't nearly as dominate when he actually has to do the heavy lifting by himself

having doms like G pacing him back to Quintana multiple times while he saves his energy like last years tour doesn't mean his form was any lower at the Vuelta

 

[rune1107]

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Looking at the racing this week, it seems clear that Toso absolutely HAS to be at the Tour. Benna is still not recovered and won't race the Tour which is a huge blow, and Toso is the only one besides Benna who can be trusted to deliver Alberto right where he needs to be in the final km.
However, I am scared the team will want a sort of leadout for Sagan. Normally Benna would take that role; but now they might want to take someone like Gatto or Blythe which might leave no room for Toso.

I'm more worried Oleg wanting a random Russian on the team, none of them have been very good this year.
Shame about Bennati, that is a big loss.

Today's stage will be interesting

I kinda have the feeling that Tinkov doesn't really care anymore. He has moved on. If Alberto can win him a Tour, it's great! I don't think he will jeopardize that for having a russian in the line up

 

[peloton]

@rune1107 Could well be so, but you never know with Nuttie

 

[buchanan]

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if i never get to see a top form contador going against a top form froome (for more than 1 stage - 2014 dauphine) it will be one of the greatest sporting regrets of my life.

Didn't you hear? Apparently that happened at the Vuelta 2014. Even though Froome was clearly not at his peak level at the 2014 Vuelta - and was battling in the mountains with the likes of Aru, Valverde and Purito and finished far back in the ITT. That was apparently still a top shape Froome according to some of the posters on this thread.

so any time he loses he isn't in top form ?

Considering when Froome's in top form he's easily the best these days - as evidenced in 2013 and 2015 Tour (and probably would have been in 2014 Tour if he hadn't crashed out early and broken his hand), I would have to answer Yes to that question. He has won every Tour and Dauphine that he's finished since 2013. He's very likely going to win this Dauphine and Tour too. Possibly would have beaten Wiggins at 2012 Tour as well if he had been allowed to race him.

I'm not even a Froome fan. I actually wish Contador can somehow beat him at the Tour (not gonna happen ). But I came to realize he's easily the best nowadays and has been since 2012/13. He delivers the goods when it counts again and again, despite what his detractors like to dream up. To my eyes he was obviously a level or two below his peak form at the 2014 Vuelta - but he still managed to ride himself into some form and be a serious threat. He's an outstanding talent.