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Alberto drove this break from the beginning, he can definitely be excused for getting tired in the last few KM. He did a lot of work in the beginning and was the road captain throughout, thats a lot of work. Way more work than Quintana and anyone else in the break
I'm not a big fan of Contador generally, but I have to doff my cap to him for his effort, particularly given his injury. He is riding like a man who knows he is in the twilight of his career and he wants to savour the time he has left at the absolute top level.
Nibali was 4th at 4:43 during the Giro after stage 16
Contador is 4th at 4:02 after stage 15
It's happening.
Contador is 4th at 4:02 after stage 15
It's happening.
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These look pretty similar, no?
(1)KRUIJSWIJKStevenTeam LottoNL - Jumbo2073:50:37
2(2)CHAVESJohan EstebanOrica GreenEDGE 3:00
3(3)VALVERDEAlejandroMovistar Team 3:23
4(4)NIBALIVincenzoAstana Pro Team 4:43
1(1)QUINTANANairoMovistar Team2061:36:07
2(2)FROOMEChristopherTeam Sky 3:37
3(3)CHAVESJohan EstebanORICA-BikeExchange 3:57
4(6)CONTADORAlbertoTinkoff 4:02
(1)KRUIJSWIJKStevenTeam LottoNL - Jumbo2073:50:37
2(2)CHAVESJohan EstebanOrica GreenEDGE 3:00
3(3)VALVERDEAlejandroMovistar Team 3:23
4(4)NIBALIVincenzoAstana Pro Team 4:43
1(1)QUINTANANairoMovistar Team2061:36:07
2(2)FROOMEChristopherTeam Sky 3:37
3(3)CHAVESJohan EstebanORICA-BikeExchange 3:57
4(6)CONTADORAlbertoTinkoff 4:02
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Contador quickly went from one of my favorites to number 1 enemy, as far as cycling goes.
He won exactly 0 with this stage. He burned himself out just for Froome to lose, for some reason. He is now a sellout that does moves like this (at least since his last GC win) out of despair and to try and stay relevant, not to win at all.
Froome is the guy that doesn't f*** around. Froome is the guy that attacked on descents and won stages like that. Froome is the guy that attacked on the flat with Sagan. Froome is the guy that actually tried and win the Vuelta after winning the Tour. Froome is the guy that also tried to win and actually won medals at the Olympics. Froome also competed during the year.
He did all of that this year. He deserves all of the respect of honest cycling fans. He is extremely polite on and off his bike, an warrior and doesn't f*** around.
I just don't know how so many members could cheer for all of those riders helping Quintana (that barely worked until the last climb. He was by far the rider that worked less.), some of those with nothing to win or could only win an anonymous GC placing, and criticize Astana, for example.
Orica also raced like useless cowards, waking when it was too late.
Froome is a champion, but exhausted. It seems to me that Contador selling out and being such an hypocrite just killed this Vuelta.
I hope Alberto keeps getting demolished on any important race, from now on. It's also funny to me that Froome will end with a much better Palmares than Alberto, after everything is said and done.
He won exactly 0 with this stage. He burned himself out just for Froome to lose, for some reason. He is now a sellout that does moves like this (at least since his last GC win) out of despair and to try and stay relevant, not to win at all.
Froome is the guy that doesn't f*** around. Froome is the guy that attacked on descents and won stages like that. Froome is the guy that attacked on the flat with Sagan. Froome is the guy that actually tried and win the Vuelta after winning the Tour. Froome is the guy that also tried to win and actually won medals at the Olympics. Froome also competed during the year.
He did all of that this year. He deserves all of the respect of honest cycling fans. He is extremely polite on and off his bike, an warrior and doesn't f*** around.
I just don't know how so many members could cheer for all of those riders helping Quintana (that barely worked until the last climb. He was by far the rider that worked less.), some of those with nothing to win or could only win an anonymous GC placing, and criticize Astana, for example.
Orica also raced like useless cowards, waking when it was too late.
Froome is a champion, but exhausted. It seems to me that Contador selling out and being such an hypocrite just killed this Vuelta.
I hope Alberto keeps getting demolished on any important race, from now on. It's also funny to me that Froome will end with a much better Palmares than Alberto, after everything is said and done.
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Nairo isn't Dutch and a Contador crash dance is more likely to lead to himself tasting the tarmac rather than his rivals
Rollthedice said:
Nairo isn't Dutch and a Contador crash dance is more likely to lead to himself tasting the tarmac rather than his rivals
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Quintana didn't work until the end because he had Rubén Fernández and Jonathan Castroviejo doing his share, like he damn well should have had, meanwhile Erviti and Valverde behind forced Froome's domestiques to spend themselves until he had none left. Don't be mad with Quintana because his domestiques were attentive and then did their jobs.
Even after getting in to the break of the day in the red jersey, pulling up the final climb solo on his own all the way, you're still clinging to your position that Froome (who didn't take a pull until the final climb either despite it being far more in his interest and far more necessary once López was dropped) is a real racer and Quintana is a wheelsucking coward, and allowing this to permeate the Contador thread because Contador tried the same long-distance dangerous gamble that paid off for him big time in 2012.
Orica messed up, definitely, but I don't think it was cowardice, as a couple of guys, Howson in particular, did sterling work when they did come to the front. I think they misjudged it badly; they didn't come to the front to close the gap down early, and spent too long waiting before doing so; then when Yates decided it was time that the big guns pulled, he did it near the end of Cotefabio and dropped a bunch of guys they could have done with help from in the valley floor before the last climb.
Sure, Froome is the guy trying to win the Vuelta after winning the Tour, but do you seriously want to argue that Quintana didn't try to win the Vuelta today?
Even after getting in to the break of the day in the red jersey, pulling up the final climb solo on his own all the way, you're still clinging to your position that Froome (who didn't take a pull until the final climb either despite it being far more in his interest and far more necessary once López was dropped) is a real racer and Quintana is a wheelsucking coward, and allowing this to permeate the Contador thread because Contador tried the same long-distance dangerous gamble that paid off for him big time in 2012.
Orica messed up, definitely, but I don't think it was cowardice, as a couple of guys, Howson in particular, did sterling work when they did come to the front. I think they misjudged it badly; they didn't come to the front to close the gap down early, and spent too long waiting before doing so; then when Yates decided it was time that the big guns pulled, he did it near the end of Cotefabio and dropped a bunch of guys they could have done with help from in the valley floor before the last climb.
Sure, Froome is the guy trying to win the Vuelta after winning the Tour, but do you seriously want to argue that Quintana didn't try to win the Vuelta today?
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Remember when he said that it was winning or nothing, that he doesn't care about second or third? Today he was nothing more than another Movistar domestique, as usual. It's not like he can do anything more against the strongest riders when everybody is healthy, after his suspension, isn't it?
Looking at his recent performances, he couldn't even be number 4 or 5 at Movistar. Having said that, his performance reminded me of Uran Vs Vino at the Olympics, or Vino Vs Koblenev.
What a disgrace. He's now a sellout that killed the Vuelta. Congrats to him, I guess. Froome already broke him countless times, maybe that's the butthurt in him. That's the only explanation.
1. Contador had his domestiques as well. In fact, he behaved exactly like another Movistar rider.
2. Quintana didn't get in the break. He found himself there after riders like Froome, Chaves and company got stuck behind a crash, and stayed there, never showing his face, until all of his domestiques at Tinkoff built a big gap.
3. Froome made a massive effort to bridge to the chasing group. Clearly you didn't saw the beginning of the stage. He also remained at the front, and was the first in line to answer those attacks in the chasing group, and clearly felt exhausted, probably asking how a guy that won 7 GTs sells himself like that. Also, at this point in time, who the hell thinks that Froome isn't one of the best racers in the Peloton? Did you even watch the tour?
4. Of course Quintana is a wheelsucking coward. He showed it time and time again, from his controversial Giro, to his pathetic tour where the stakes were higher and he never tried anything at all but grabbing motorcycles, to never actually participating on the making of today's move, being clearly the guy with most to win, but also the guy that worked far less, until doing the obvious thing to do. If he didn't work in the last climb, he wouldn't be an wheelsucker. He would be mentally ill.
5. Quintana did what any coward with a team of 18 riders that knew that his rivals were behind would do. He followed wheels, sucked wheels, sucked some more, then worked as little as possible, and then when it was obvious went for it, on the last 10% of today's stage, when Froome was already 3min behind.
Great.
But the main point here is that Alberto is officially a sellout. Clearly Froome broke him time and time again, from smallish stage races to the Tour. After his suspension, Alberto at his peak is barely top5 material in any race where the best riders compete in, making him NOT ONE OF THE BEST RIDERS.
Now it's about joy?Angliru said:
Remember when he said that it was winning or nothing, that he doesn't care about second or third? Today he was nothing more than another Movistar domestique, as usual. It's not like he can do anything more against the strongest riders when everybody is healthy, after his suspension, isn't it?
Looking at his recent performances, he couldn't even be number 4 or 5 at Movistar. Having said that, his performance reminded me of Uran Vs Vino at the Olympics, or Vino Vs Koblenev.
What a disgrace. He's now a sellout that killed the Vuelta. Congrats to him, I guess. Froome already broke him countless times, maybe that's the butthurt in him. That's the only explanation.
Libertine Seguros said:
1. Contador had his domestiques as well. In fact, he behaved exactly like another Movistar rider.
2. Quintana didn't get in the break. He found himself there after riders like Froome, Chaves and company got stuck behind a crash, and stayed there, never showing his face, until all of his domestiques at Tinkoff built a big gap.
3. Froome made a massive effort to bridge to the chasing group. Clearly you didn't saw the beginning of the stage. He also remained at the front, and was the first in line to answer those attacks in the chasing group, and clearly felt exhausted, probably asking how a guy that won 7 GTs sells himself like that. Also, at this point in time, who the hell thinks that Froome isn't one of the best racers in the Peloton? Did you even watch the tour?
4. Of course Quintana is a wheelsucking coward. He showed it time and time again, from his controversial Giro, to his pathetic tour where the stakes were higher and he never tried anything at all but grabbing motorcycles, to never actually participating on the making of today's move, being clearly the guy with most to win, but also the guy that worked far less, until doing the obvious thing to do. If he didn't work in the last climb, he wouldn't be an wheelsucker. He would be mentally ill.
5. Quintana did what any coward with a team of 18 riders that knew that his rivals were behind would do. He followed wheels, sucked wheels, sucked some more, then worked as little as possible, and then when it was obvious went for it, on the last 10% of today's stage, when Froome was already 3min behind.
Great.
But the main point here is that Alberto is officially a sellout. Clearly Froome broke him time and time again, from smallish stage races to the Tour. After his suspension, Alberto at his peak is barely top5 material in any race where the best riders compete in, making him NOT ONE OF THE BEST RIDERS.
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Not true at all. When the split was first created, Froome closed the gap himself and caught the Quintana/Contador group. Then they got away again, apparently due to a crash
Libertine Seguros said:
Not true at all. When the split was first created, Froome closed the gap himself and caught the Quintana/Contador group. Then they got away again, apparently due to a crash
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Contador raced today. He looked over his shoulder, saw potential to get time and closer to the podium, and put the hammer down. He didn't hang about checking his power meter to see if he could sustain this effort for the next 100km, he just went. How did Froome's racing instincts respond? He followed Movistar wheels (badly, as usual) and got on the radio. He was like a deer in the headlights the entire day. Rather than just pout that his team went AWOL, (and then even the two he had at the start were pedaling squares and got blown away by ONE Movistar acceleration less than 20km into the day), Froome had no sense that he needed to do something immediately when the gap was 10-12 seconds.
The difference between Froome's and Contador's racing instincts could not have been demonstrated any better than today. The best day's racing start to finish in a long time happened because Contador sensed that Brambilla was a strong enough guy to latch onto to see what might develop. He didn't do that out of some warped sense of sticking it to Froome, who could even think that? (Rhetorical question :razz: ). He did it to make the best of the day for his position. And he did. He jumped into 4th and is now just a few seconds away from a podium. A pretty good day's work.
MacBAir said:
Contador raced today. He looked over his shoulder, saw potential to get time and closer to the podium, and put the hammer down. He didn't hang about checking his power meter to see if he could sustain this effort for the next 100km, he just went. How did Froome's racing instincts respond? He followed Movistar wheels (badly, as usual) and got on the radio. He was like a deer in the headlights the entire day. Rather than just pout that his team went AWOL, (and then even the two he had at the start were pedaling squares and got blown away by ONE Movistar acceleration less than 20km into the day), Froome had no sense that he needed to do something immediately when the gap was 10-12 seconds.
The difference between Froome's and Contador's racing instincts could not have been demonstrated any better than today. The best day's racing start to finish in a long time happened because Contador sensed that Brambilla was a strong enough guy to latch onto to see what might develop. He didn't do that out of some warped sense of sticking it to Froome, who could even think that? (Rhetorical question :razz: ). He did it to make the best of the day for his position. And he did. He jumped into 4th and is now just a few seconds away from a podium. A pretty good day's work.
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It´s so ridiculous what this guy write( mac bair), that i will not even coment...
I just saw the repetition... Fantastic stage. To me, that love cycling, don´t hate cyclists, even if it is not my favorite to win, today was a great, fabulous spectacle. This is cycling, pure cycling, RAW cycling. That´s why i dind´t like the Tour, even if one of my favorite riders won it...
Contador today, was just Contador. He isn´t in good shape, or at leat where he needed to win this vuelta. I would love to saw him win it, but Quintana is going to do it, and i hope he at least try more 1 stage to break all "the rules" even if that prejudicate is final result. Contador isn´t the guy to stay quite and just watch the race going ang going...I think that´s why he is so loved. That´s why i love him. Thanks to him. Thanks to try, thanks to ride agressivly, even if the result is not good. Sincerly, to me if he make 2, 3 or 4 is the same. I just want him to fight to the win...
Another rider would defend, and try just the podium, but i think he must try... Another go... Another time. Everyone will be expecting next time, but, i don´t care, i want him to blow the race, to isolate all the leaders.
About today, I just want to say this and i hope all understand... I prefer Froome to Quintana, but without the train, things aren´t the same. Today with the train of sky, this stage wouldn´t have happened, and Froome wouldn´t have lost this time. Chapeau to who fights to a victory, so chapeau to Quintana, and Chapeau to Contador to make this stage worth it.
This vuelta, is being much more interessant that the Tour, and who is going to win is not none ( Contador and Froome) of my favorites. But who likes cycling can enjoy the moment... That is the most important.
THANKS CONTADOR. THANKS FOR TODAY.
I just saw the repetition... Fantastic stage. To me, that love cycling, don´t hate cyclists, even if it is not my favorite to win, today was a great, fabulous spectacle. This is cycling, pure cycling, RAW cycling. That´s why i dind´t like the Tour, even if one of my favorite riders won it...
Contador today, was just Contador. He isn´t in good shape, or at leat where he needed to win this vuelta. I would love to saw him win it, but Quintana is going to do it, and i hope he at least try more 1 stage to break all "the rules" even if that prejudicate is final result. Contador isn´t the guy to stay quite and just watch the race going ang going...I think that´s why he is so loved. That´s why i love him. Thanks to him. Thanks to try, thanks to ride agressivly, even if the result is not good. Sincerly, to me if he make 2, 3 or 4 is the same. I just want him to fight to the win...
Another rider would defend, and try just the podium, but i think he must try... Another go... Another time. Everyone will be expecting next time, but, i don´t care, i want him to blow the race, to isolate all the leaders.
About today, I just want to say this and i hope all understand... I prefer Froome to Quintana, but without the train, things aren´t the same. Today with the train of sky, this stage wouldn´t have happened, and Froome wouldn´t have lost this time. Chapeau to who fights to a victory, so chapeau to Quintana, and Chapeau to Contador to make this stage worth it.
This vuelta, is being much more interessant that the Tour, and who is going to win is not none ( Contador and Froome) of my favorites. But who likes cycling can enjoy the moment... That is the most important.
THANKS CONTADOR. THANKS FOR TODAY.
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This is racing. Sky and Froome got themselves into a vulnerable position. Contador exploited it to gain time and land a psychological blow on a key rival. Of course he gained. Guys like Contador take the chances they get and go for it. And thank God they do. Reminds me that I DO love cycling. I was beginning to feel it was getting so controlled and predictable that there was little point in watching any more. Chapeau!
MacBAir said:
This is racing. Sky and Froome got themselves into a vulnerable position. Contador exploited it to gain time and land a psychological blow on a key rival. Of course he gained. Guys like Contador take the chances they get and go for it. And thank God they do. Reminds me that I DO love cycling. I was beginning to feel it was getting so controlled and predictable that there was little point in watching any more. Chapeau!
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This is like sportzchick getting angry that Basso wasn't called a wheelsucker because he refused to chase his own teammate down for Evans in 2010. The answer is so freaking fundamental to an understanding of the way road cycling works that I simply can't comprehend your issue with it. Team leader joins attack group, team leader has domestiques, domestiques do work on leader's behalf to extract maximum gain for attack group, team leader is fresh to extract maximum gain when domestiques are tired. What's so difficult about that?
What's Nairo supposed to do, in your opinion? Is anything other than going full Landis cowardice?
Of course he worked far less. That was Fernández' and Castroviejo's job. As long as they were capable of it, they were contributing, and they were doing his share. They were pulling for Nairo. That's the point of a domestique. Once they were gone, it was up to Nairo to do his own work, and then he went to the front and stayed there, to extract maximum GC gain.MacBAir said:
This is like sportzchick getting angry that Basso wasn't called a wheelsucker because he refused to chase his own teammate down for Evans in 2010. The answer is so freaking fundamental to an understanding of the way road cycling works that I simply can't comprehend your issue with it. Team leader joins attack group, team leader has domestiques, domestiques do work on leader's behalf to extract maximum gain for attack group, team leader is fresh to extract maximum gain when domestiques are tired. What's so difficult about that?
What's Nairo supposed to do, in your opinion? Is anything other than going full Landis cowardice?
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