Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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I think he'll take GC, but I seriously doubt he'll take the stage tomorrow. he seems to be riding in a very conservative manner, whether to save energy or because of the crash, who knows? I get the feeling he's left a bit in the tank for tomorrow and he appeared to mark and follow moves with relative ease today (despite those pesky three seconds).
 
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GraftPunk said:
I think he'll take GC, but I seriously doubt he'll take the stage tomorrow. he seems to be riding in a very conservative manner, whether to save energy or because of the crash, who knows? I get the feeling he's left a bit in the tank for tomorrow and he appeared to mark and follow moves with relative ease today (despite those pesky three seconds).
Yeah let's say Roglic for the stage win or maybe Ion. Berto should be top-5 though or even top-3.
 
Sensible racing tactics today, he must feel confident he can beat Bala tomorrow and he probably will be the favourite. Seems he isn't too hurt after all now, does it. :D

Strange to see him follow Valverde like that, its usually the other way around.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Sensible racing tactics today, he must feel confident he can beat Bala tomorrow and he probably will be the favourite. Seems he isn't too hurt after all now, does it. :D

Strange to see him follow Valverde like that, its usually the other way around.
Yeah or perhaps he is hurt and would have won the stage otherwise :confused: weird to conclude he isn't hurt because he didn't lose much time, how can you know :rolleyes:
 
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He will win le tour if froome crash. In my opinion froome is clearly one step above contador nowadays (and he also has by far a better team), in my opinion even a fresh (and in top shape) quintana is no match to froome.
Valverde would have dropped everyone if contador wasn't in the race so I can say that contador was the second strongest today
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Valv.Piti said:
Sensible racing tactics today, he must feel confident he can beat Bala tomorrow and he probably will be the favourite. Seems he isn't too hurt after all now, does it. :D

Strange to see him follow Valverde like that, its usually the other way around.
Yeah or perhaps he is hurt and would have won the stage otherwise :confused: weird to conclude he isn't hurt because he didn't lose much time, how can you know :rolleyes:
I'd like to point out again that I wrote 'too hurt', as in, not too hurt. You know when he doesn't have problems closing Valverde's attacks down time and time again. Thats a sensible conclusion, isn't it.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
I'd like to point out again that I wrote 'too hurt', as in, not too hurt. You know when he doesn't have problems closing Valverde's attacks down time and time again. Thats a sensible conclusion, isn't it.
We could turn it around and say normally Contador should easily be able to drop Uran and the likes so he was clearly hurt by the crash :confused:

My point is we don't know how badly he was hurt. No, clearly he wasn't terribly hurt otherwise he'd have done worse. That's the only thing we can conclude.
What annoys me is that you wrote it in such a way as if to say, "see, I was right, he exaggerated the effects of his crash again" which is a conclusion we cannot make.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Valv.Piti said:
I'd like to point out again that I wrote 'too hurt', as in, not too hurt. You know when he doesn't have problems closing Valverde's attacks down time and time again. Thats a sensible conclusion, isn't it.
We could turn it around and say normally Contador should easily be able to drop Uran and the likes so he was clearly hurt by the crash :confused:

My point is we don't know how badly he was hurt. No, clearly he wasn't terribly hurt otherwise he'd have done worse. That's the only thing we can conclude.
What annoys me is that you wrote it in such a way as if to say, "see, I was right, he exaggerated the effects of his crash again" which is a conclusion we cannot make.

Don't overanalyse things and try to make me look like such a bad guy.

Look, we know Valverde is in some amazing form and you yourself predicted that Contador would finish in 8th or something if I remember correctly. Clearly, you were expecting worse based on his crash and the way he has raced this race.

Then we watch the stage and Valverde makes a bunch of really serious attacks, yet can't gap Contador which means that the crash obviously hasn't affected him that much (we believe going into the race that they were equally good, Valverde and Contador, so that Contador without the crash should have been able to drop Valverde on this climb by 20 seconds or so is unrealistic).

Thats why I assume he wasn't hurt too bad, hence why I wrote it. God damn you are quick to get defensive when I write in here.
 
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ThePirate81 said:
Can Alberto take the GC win tomorrow? He deserves it after 5 days of crashes and bad luck.
I am sorry, but in what way crashes make one deserving winner? I can name 5-6 riders who deserve this more than Contador based on the race so far.
But I do also think that he is a favorite at this point. Btw, I don't like the idea of not having bonus seconds for top 3 finishers.
 
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damian13ster said:
ThePirate81 said:
Can Alberto take the GC win tomorrow? He deserves it after 5 days of crashes and bad luck.
I am sorry, but in what way crashes make one deserving winner? I can name 5-6 riders who deserve this more than Contador based on the race so far.
But I do also think that he is a favorite at this point. Btw, I don't like the idea of not having bonus seconds for top 3 finishers.
He deserves it because despite all his bad luck he's still in the game, fighting for the win.
 
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damian13ster said:
ThePirate81 said:
Can Alberto take the GC win tomorrow? He deserves it after 5 days of crashes and bad luck.
I am sorry, but in what way crashes make one deserving winner? I can name 5-6 riders who deserve this more than Contador based on the race so far.
But I do also think that he is a favorite at this point. Btw, I don't like the idea of not having bonus seconds for top 3 finishers.

Exactly! That's what I was saying when I said Cummings deserved the GC cos his crash was so much worse! It was the same in P-N, because Contador made a kamikaze break from 50 odd k's out and missed out by a couple of seconds he obviously deserved the GC according to the die hards.
 
Not really. The route and lack of bonus seconds allowed that, and not some kind of epic chases, aggressive riding, etc. Not being able to stay on the bike and still finishing in peleton is hardly enough to make someone a worthy winner. How would he deserve it more than guys like Valverde, De la Cruz, Roglic, etc. who has actually shown something this race
 
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damian13ster said:
Not really. The route and lack of bonus seconds allowed that, and not some kind of epic chases, aggressive riding, etc. Not being able to stay on the bike and still finishing in peleton is hardly enough to make someone a worthy winner. How would he deserve it more than guys like Valverde, De la Cruz, Roglic, etc. who has actually shown something this race
If he finishes 1st, he deserves it as much as anyone else. End of discussion!

I really don't get why some people have such a hard time understanding what people mean when they say "he deserves the win" or "he deserved the win". It means that this rider would have been a deserving winner!! It is not meant to detract from the actual winner, FFS.
 
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wheresmybrakes said:
The only way you deserve to win is if you finish in first place, regardless of how you got there. (as long as its legal! :) )
Nonsense.

So in your opinion if rider A attacks with 100km to go and builds a 5 minute advantage on his own, gets hit by a motorcycle and crashes into a ravine, climbs out, continues, breaks his chain, has to wait two minutes before he gets a new bike, gets caught 50 meters before the line by rider B, who just sat on the back of a group of 20 riders for the entire race, rider A didn't deserve the win?
 
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LaFlorecita said:
wheresmybrakes said:
The only way you deserve to win is if you finish in first place, regardless of how you got there. (as long as its legal! :) )
Nonsense.

So in your opinion if rider A attacks with 100km to go and builds a 5 minute advantage on his own, gets hit by a motorcycle and crashes into a ravine, climbs out, continues, breaks his chain, has to wait two minutes before he gets a new bike, gets caught 50 meters before the line by rider B, who just sat on the back of a group of 20 riders for the entire race, rider A didn't deserve the win?

No, rider A should have anticipated the motorcycle before it hit. Also riding so close to a ravine is obviously dicing with danger and depending on how deep that ravine is could depend if he could climb out in time and finishing the race before the time cut off. As for breaking his chain, should have kept it oiled. Not his fault his DS needed a pee break which resulted in his car being too far behind for his bike replacement and even more unlucky that Gerrans was waiting to pounce from behind the group of 20 riders to win the race.

I still think Contador will win this overall race tomorrow and if he does he will deserve it, unless Valverde happens to get hit by a motorcycle and crashes into a ravine.............. :)
 
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LaFlorecita said:
wheresmybrakes said:
The only way you deserve to win is if you finish in first place, regardless of how you got there. (as long as its legal! :) )
Nonsense.

So in your opinion if rider A attacks with 100km to go and builds a 5 minute advantage on his own, gets hit by a motorcycle and crashes into a ravine, climbs out, continues, breaks his chain, has to wait two minutes before he gets a new bike, gets caught 50 meters before the line by rider B, who just sat on the back of a group of 20 riders for the entire race, rider A didn't deserve the win?
He is just trolling. Just ignore.