I'd like to have a word or two with this so-called biggest fan who only likes him because he wins. Disgraceful attitude.
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The biggest turn-off is the contempt for all of Contador's big rivals, all of them are either arrogant, frauds, freaks or what have you. Its so, so classless when compared to how Contador copes with losses, always classy - if just some of his fans had a fraction of that. It doesn't matter if its Quintana, Valverde, Froome, Porte or Nibali for especially one certain poster - they are in Contador's way hence why they are treated like that.
What nonsense... I don't mind Porte (yes disliked him when he raced for Sky) and I don't mind Nibali anymore either. I had an irrational dislike towards him in 2013 but not anymore.
I don't mind Quintana either even though he is very much "in Alberto's way". Maybe you're confused because I will cheer against these riders when Alberto is in the same race?
I don't mind Quintana either even though he is very much "in Alberto's way". Maybe you're confused because I will cheer against these riders when Alberto is in the same race?
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Valverde is all that however. who else would bully small riders because their DS made anti-doping comments? Only a pathetic cyclist would do that.
Valv.Piti said:
Valverde is all that however. who else would bully small riders because their DS made anti-doping comments? Only a pathetic cyclist would do that.
As you know quite well I like and support many riders. I also dislike a few like Froome, Valverde, Kristoff and Van Avermaet. We all have our likes and dislikes and they are often not rational or reasonable so why let it bother you?
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It's natural he's attracted quite a lot of criticism and questioning of his methods and preparation in the last few years; considering he has failed in his objectives more often than not. Particularly in the last 12 months or so - the Vuelta being probably the worst GT performance of his career all things considered. Yet some fans only seem to want to stifle and derail any discussion which they perceive as being critical. This is a cycling forum though, not a facebook apprecation thread.
Yep, some of Contador's fans do a real dis-service to the great man himself. He'd probably be ashamed of them and embarrassed if he knew what some so-called fans were writing 'on his behalf''.Valv.Piti said:
It's natural he's attracted quite a lot of criticism and questioning of his methods and preparation in the last few years; considering he has failed in his objectives more often than not. Particularly in the last 12 months or so - the Vuelta being probably the worst GT performance of his career all things considered. Yet some fans only seem to want to stifle and derail any discussion which they perceive as being critical. This is a cycling forum though, not a facebook apprecation thread.
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on the subject, frankly it looks way too similar to the last season thus far. yes, Bertie didn't manage to win inzulia this time because of nasty crash, nonetheless the base is clearly here. now he should rest and enter the dauphine with all the guns blazing to make sky really nervous. that's the only key to the yellow in paris since I don't see ac outdoing sky and movistar physically in the tour. however experience and tactical superiority still give him an outside chance.
it's called normal weakness of human nature driven by toxic fanboyism. fanboys are sincerely assured the object of fanatism should fill the gaps in the lives, hence anyone preventing them from getting maximal excitement from cycling is an enemy (valverde, quintana, froome, tinkov whoever). I wish I could see Aru or Chaves overtaking AC's leader jersey and winning the race but I wager they would've quickly gotten freaks too.HollyDolly said:
on the subject, frankly it looks way too similar to the last season thus far. yes, Bertie didn't manage to win inzulia this time because of nasty crash, nonetheless the base is clearly here. now he should rest and enter the dauphine with all the guns blazing to make sky really nervous. that's the only key to the yellow in paris since I don't see ac outdoing sky and movistar physically in the tour. however experience and tactical superiority still give him an outside chance.
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This is not unique to this thread. This is how it is on this forum at large and across any sports forum or social media platform. If anything, you might see it more because Contador's thread is larger and has more posters.
Have you seen other fan threads? There's plenty of threads which laugh at the possibility of Contador doing anything, joking about how X rider would never be a threat, diminishing palmares as completely no relevant to the goals of whatever rider you support.Valv.Piti said:
This is not unique to this thread. This is how it is on this forum at large and across any sports forum or social media platform. If anything, you might see it more because Contador's thread is larger and has more posters.
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Valverde likely feels unappreciated as it is traditional in Spain to give more importance to the Tour and grand tours than the classics which is reflected in the scarcity of Spanish riders in the top of the results in those events especially the cobbled classics. They really only began making their presence known in the Ardennes until the turn of the century with Mayo, Etxabarria, Valverde and Purito. Freire and Flecha were their only representatives (along with Pedro Rojas, I'm sure I got that name wrong, whose career ended prematurely) in any classics other than the Ardennes. Valverde has an argument for being what he claims but so does Contador and for that matter so does Freire with his 3 world championships and stellar palmares.
LaFlorecita said:
Valverde likely feels unappreciated as it is traditional in Spain to give more importance to the Tour and grand tours than the classics which is reflected in the scarcity of Spanish riders in the top of the results in those events especially the cobbled classics. They really only began making their presence known in the Ardennes until the turn of the century with Mayo, Etxabarria, Valverde and Purito. Freire and Flecha were their only representatives (along with Pedro Rojas, I'm sure I got that name wrong, whose career ended prematurely) in any classics other than the Ardennes. Valverde has an argument for being what he claims but so does Contador and for that matter so does Freire with his 3 world championships and stellar palmares.
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I think Prudomme is consciously trying to make it harder for Sky because he knows what is going in the media and how a lot of people think Froome only has to show up, stay upright and he will win. Problem is when Froome is in good form he doesn't have a weakness except for tactics sometimes but that has never stopped him in the Tour. This is the year Quintana shouldn't have ridden the Giro I think but then if he gets beat in such a scenario he sees the Giro as a lost opportunity. As for Contador, if he is depending on luck to win the Tour then he is going to need a lot of it ! it's true that Contador has become more diesel like as he takes longer to react to attacks now. He doesn't have the bounce and cadence he used to have. He looks more labored with his climbing now. I think the long range attacks suit Contador more now even if there is more risk involved and those are the types of attacks that seem to put Sky into panic mode sometimes especially if other teams refuse to help them chase. i think the Sky GT team is much stronger in the mountains than on rolling terrain or on the flat.
Red Rick said:
I think Prudomme is consciously trying to make it harder for Sky because he knows what is going in the media and how a lot of people think Froome only has to show up, stay upright and he will win. Problem is when Froome is in good form he doesn't have a weakness except for tactics sometimes but that has never stopped him in the Tour. This is the year Quintana shouldn't have ridden the Giro I think but then if he gets beat in such a scenario he sees the Giro as a lost opportunity. As for Contador, if he is depending on luck to win the Tour then he is going to need a lot of it ! it's true that Contador has become more diesel like as he takes longer to react to attacks now. He doesn't have the bounce and cadence he used to have. He looks more labored with his climbing now. I think the long range attacks suit Contador more now even if there is more risk involved and those are the types of attacks that seem to put Sky into panic mode sometimes especially if other teams refuse to help them chase. i think the Sky GT team is much stronger in the mountains than on rolling terrain or on the flat.
Alberto needs to learn to pedal the way Froome does when he's in terrible shape. Just wind up those legs and spin. I wonder what gear ratio he uses.....
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I do remember his 2nd place. And I was bitter too.
I rooted for Cadel Evans in the 2007 Tour de France.LaFlorecita said:This hurts so much. I'm so bitter. Could have entered history with a 5th win instead he finishes 2nd again, no one remembers a 2nd place
He has so many 2nd places in the last few years
Doesn't hurt as much as Paris-Nice though, I couldn't sleep for one week after that
I do remember his 2nd place. And I was bitter too.
Has he ever commented on the change in his climbing cadence in the past few years? It seems like it must have been intentional, but I'm curious why he made that decision and whether he feels it has paid off for him. From the outsider's perspective, it seems dubious.
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Obviously you remember the 2nd places of the riders you rooted forAlexandre B. said:I rooted for Cadel Evans in the 2007 Tour de France.LaFlorecita said:This hurts so much. I'm so bitter. Could have entered history with a 5th win instead he finishes 2nd again, no one remembers a 2nd place
He has so many 2nd places in the last few years
Doesn't hurt as much as Paris-Nice though, I couldn't sleep for one week after that
I do remember his 2nd place. And I was bitter too.
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This. Obviously he's a pro and keeps track of things like that. Someone on twitter should ask him.
VayaVayaVaya said:
This. Obviously he's a pro and keeps track of things like that. Someone on twitter should ask him.
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He's mentioned working more on endurance rather than explosivity under De Jong, and I think those gears are part of that.LaFlorecita said:
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I would think that with only two MTFs this would be the year for Quintana to skip the Tour. He needs 2 or 3 in the last week - 10 days to have a realistic chance (in my opinion). This may be Alberto's best shot in awhile if his attributes are as you describe. if he really is a diesel then he needs to change his tactics. He still tries to race like he always has.
movingtarget said:
I would think that with only two MTFs this would be the year for Quintana to skip the Tour. He needs 2 or 3 in the last week - 10 days to have a realistic chance (in my opinion). This may be Alberto's best shot in awhile if his attributes are as you describe. if he really is a diesel then he needs to change his tactics. He still tries to race like he always has.
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The short TTs favor the climbers in the Tour especially Bardet and Quintana maybe even Porte as Porte seems to do better in the shorter TTs. Maybe you are right about about Quintana and maybe it's simply because he thinks he can't beat Froome in the Tour and he is a notoriously slow starter in the first half of the race. Froome usually builds a lead fairly early in the race and Quintana picks up the pace in the third week but always too late. Contador won't mind this course either but he and Froome both would have preferred more TT kms.
cantpedal said:
The short TTs favor the climbers in the Tour especially Bardet and Quintana maybe even Porte as Porte seems to do better in the shorter TTs. Maybe you are right about about Quintana and maybe it's simply because he thinks he can't beat Froome in the Tour and he is a notoriously slow starter in the first half of the race. Froome usually builds a lead fairly early in the race and Quintana picks up the pace in the third week but always too late. Contador won't mind this course either but he and Froome both would have preferred more TT kms.
Btw Flo, I heard you say multiple times that Wuyts doesn't like Contador, but he said this:
De grootste emotie: "Contador gaat Van Avermaet en Gilbert vooraf in driftig koersen"
"Ik ga voor het net niet winnen van Alberto Contador in Parijs-Nice. U zult zich afvragen waar ik nu mee afkom, maar als je Parijs-Nice verliest met 2 seconden, dan is dat een verschrikking. Vooral als je ziet hoe Contador het aanpakte."
"Hij gaat Van Avermaet en Gilbert vooraf in het koersen met drift, ondernemend koersen. Zo iemand mag, moet zelfs van mij winnen. Nu delft hij het onderspit tegen een eerder passieve volger. Dat vond ik jammer. Heel jammer."
De grootste emotie: "Contador gaat Van Avermaet en Gilbert vooraf in driftig koersen"
"Ik ga voor het net niet winnen van Alberto Contador in Parijs-Nice. U zult zich afvragen waar ik nu mee afkom, maar als je Parijs-Nice verliest met 2 seconden, dan is dat een verschrikking. Vooral als je ziet hoe Contador het aanpakte."
"Hij gaat Van Avermaet en Gilbert vooraf in het koersen met drift, ondernemend koersen. Zo iemand mag, moet zelfs van mij winnen. Nu delft hij het onderspit tegen een eerder passieve volger. Dat vond ik jammer. Heel jammer."
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