Jojo, please, this thread is already a mess with a the Movistar and Valverde talk, don't bring Gilbert into it as well.
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If there will be any repayment, which I think is weird to expect (talking about being classy), it will come from Quintana at some point. He was the one benefitting, not Valverde. You were crying when Movistar didn't help Contador chase down Chaves as well on stage 20 instead of actually pointing to the fact that he just should have closed the attack down in the first place. Are you gonna say this overtime he gets beaten by Quintana or Valverde?
And please. Valverde respects Contador, why do you think he races like he does? It motivates him, they have a rivalry. The only reason why they have a rivalry is because both are racing on an extremely high level and has been doing just that for +10 years. Such a weird thing to say.
Lol please. What do you expect, Valverde to intentionally lose Catalunya or Pais Vasco? Here Contador, thats for you because you helped my teammate win the Vuelta last year. :lol:LaFlorecita said:
If there will be any repayment, which I think is weird to expect (talking about being classy), it will come from Quintana at some point. He was the one benefitting, not Valverde. You were crying when Movistar didn't help Contador chase down Chaves as well on stage 20 instead of actually pointing to the fact that he just should have closed the attack down in the first place. Are you gonna say this overtime he gets beaten by Quintana or Valverde?
Valverde being arrogant? Word around the peloton is (what you hear from commentators, insiders, other riders etc) is that Valverde genuinely is one of the nicest guys in the peloton. Similar to Boonen, thing is Valverde just doesn't speak English so its a lot harder for him to express himself. You just don't like him. Because you don't like any of his rivals. Valverde, Quintana, Porte, Froome, Nibali, same thing. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out now, does it.LaFlorecita said:
And please. Valverde respects Contador, why do you think he races like he does? It motivates him, they have a rivalry. The only reason why they have a rivalry is because both are racing on an extremely high level and has been doing just that for +10 years. Such a weird thing to say.
It doesn't matter what they would have said, you would have found it hella annoying anyways because you ARE annoyed. You are probably more invested than Contador and Valverde themselves. You literally told people that you were gonna kill yourself because of all the 2nd places, maybe you should calm down a bit.LaFlorecita said:So they should keep it among themselves, Contador isn't going to take it as a compliment or feel better after reading it. The worst thing someone could say to you after finishing 2nd for the umpteenth time is "hey, at least you're a good #2, you make us look better!" especially when the ones saying it aren't exactly your friends.Forever The Best said:I don't think Movistar are trying to rub it. They just say the victory is better when it is against riders like Contador who have so much calibre.LaFlorecita said:https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/850737263399116800
About todays stage, he once again went flat out on the beginning. I am not happy that he is 2nd again but at least it wasn't a small margin. (17 seconds on this route is a pretty big margin)
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Yes I meant podium simply because of Froome's presence. But of course even for Froome, it still has to go right for three weeks. Valverde is on a Gilbert type year if this continues and I think it will continue at least in the Ardennes races. I still think there has to be a drop off for Valverde in the middle of the year.
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Yes I meant podium simply because of Froome's presence. But of course even for Froome, it still has to go right for three weeks. Valverde is on a Gilbert type year if this continues and I think it will continue at least in the Ardennes races. I still think there has to be a drop off for Valverde in the middle of the year.
The lack of graciousness among SOME Contadors fans on here to his rivals wining and beating him is childish, illogical and petty
If Valverde beats Contador he is the object of hatred. if Froome does then its Froome's turn , etc
Sport is about losing just as smuch about wining
Assumng Valverde is legit and there is no reason to suggest otherwise he should be appluaded for training so hard, racing so competeively and achieving so much...not the target of jealousy...because that is all this is ..jealousy
At least Contador is gracious in defeat
If Valverde beats Contador he is the object of hatred. if Froome does then its Froome's turn , etc
Sport is about losing just as smuch about wining
Assumng Valverde is legit and there is no reason to suggest otherwise he should be appluaded for training so hard, racing so competeively and achieving so much...not the target of jealousy...because that is all this is ..jealousy
At least Contador is gracious in defeat
As for Valverde being arrogant because he wants to beat Contador or win all the time ....o they all want to win ...Contador wants to win all the time
I have it from a good source that Valverde is well liked in the peloton
I have it from a good source that Valverde is well liked in the peloton
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Be sorry about saying A while trying to say B. More productive and sincere that way.
LaFlorecita said:I can't say if you read it or not, but I can tell you that they're not - if your definition of friendship is the same as mine, that is.lenric said:
In response to your other post (sorry, I'm not quoting your whole essay
Be sorry about saying A while trying to say B. More productive and sincere that way.
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I think there is only a lot of human nature going on here. There is rational and irrational. For example, I don't think you are a Contador fan and are having a wee dig at him. Irrational. My take on your posts. Can't name posters but the pro Bertie fans are taking offence to the obvious wee sleekit and constant asides thrown in here and there by the posters who are trying to be neutral but clearly aren't and have their own anti-Contador bias. Again, irrational by me, but my take on most of the posters who are up against the the poster I can't name but defends him the most. And, I don't agree with said poster on a lot. Me, it's just like a real Football Factory, the sooner the new generation take over the better for me.
HelloDolly said:
I think there is only a lot of human nature going on here. There is rational and irrational. For example, I don't think you are a Contador fan and are having a wee dig at him. Irrational. My take on your posts. Can't name posters but the pro Bertie fans are taking offence to the obvious wee sleekit and constant asides thrown in here and there by the posters who are trying to be neutral but clearly aren't and have their own anti-Contador bias. Again, irrational by me, but my take on most of the posters who are up against the the poster I can't name but defends him the most. And, I don't agree with said poster on a lot. Me, it's just like a real Football Factory, the sooner the new generation take over the better for me.
Sad he didn't win but I hope this goes like my predictions in the 2017 thread and he goes on to dominate the Tour.
For the CdD and TdF he should just stay on Froomes wheel and hopefully avoid the crashes.
For the CdD and TdF he should just stay on Froomes wheel and hopefully avoid the crashes.
Novak Djokovics's Quote:
'Sometimes, I have dinner with Andy or Rafa; but the reality is none of us can be real mates while we are fighting for history. But one day, when we've all retired, I look forward to sitting down over a beer with them all, and their families, and remember what we went through.'
Similarly for Froome, Valverde, Contador. They just cant be friends.
'Sometimes, I have dinner with Andy or Rafa; but the reality is none of us can be real mates while we are fighting for history. But one day, when we've all retired, I look forward to sitting down over a beer with them all, and their families, and remember what we went through.'
Similarly for Froome, Valverde, Contador. They just cant be friends.
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Wanting to win isn't arrogant... saying you're by far the best and dismissing others is. Once again Contador would never say something like that because he's a humble guy.HelloDolly said:
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That last part is a big if. I think I'd give him a 75% chance to make it to the first rest day and 50% to make it without crashing. After that he has to defeat Froome and his team. At least he has a good superdomestique in Pantano but it's a tall ask. As I've said many times, his best chance is if Froome DNFs but that would be a hollow victory.SHAD0W93 said:
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Isn't that the only point where help matters? When you are unable to do it yourself? :lol:Valv.Piti said:
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I haven't seen anything that suggests he can win the Tour without a hefty dose of good luck. In fact it's the opposite:
- He is now a diesel climber which means he'll probably explode trying to follow Froome's attacks and he won't be able to counterattack either in the unlikely case he does manage to stay on his wheel.
- His sub-20 minute efforts are great but he loses power very quickly after that mark. You can bet Sky and Movistar have noticed this as well and will make every stage as hard as possible so Alberto arrives at the final climb completely cooked and unable to do anything.
- He isn't TTing well enough, I know nothing about the parcours except that there are two TTs, he'll likely lose over 1 minute in both.
- He can't stay on his bike.
- His team isn't strong enough (no disrespect for Pantano but he can't act as 8 teammates on his own), we must pray there'll be no crosswinds or he'll be caught out for sure.
So to summarize, he needs to stay on his bike and find 50 extra Watts and he may stand a chance.
You'll never give up, will you :lol: but we luv you for itjens_attacks said:
I haven't seen anything that suggests he can win the Tour without a hefty dose of good luck. In fact it's the opposite:
- He is now a diesel climber which means he'll probably explode trying to follow Froome's attacks and he won't be able to counterattack either in the unlikely case he does manage to stay on his wheel.
- His sub-20 minute efforts are great but he loses power very quickly after that mark. You can bet Sky and Movistar have noticed this as well and will make every stage as hard as possible so Alberto arrives at the final climb completely cooked and unable to do anything.
- He isn't TTing well enough, I know nothing about the parcours except that there are two TTs, he'll likely lose over 1 minute in both.
- He can't stay on his bike.
- His team isn't strong enough (no disrespect for Pantano but he can't act as 8 teammates on his own), we must pray there'll be no crosswinds or he'll be caught out for sure.
So to summarize, he needs to stay on his bike and find 50 extra Watts and he may stand a chance.
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1st Comunidad de Valenciana - 1 stage win
1st Tirreno Adriatico - 1 stage win
1st Ruta de Sol - 1 stage win
1st Volta a Catalunya - 3 stage wins
1st Vuelta al Pais Vasco 1 stage win.
Yes, and after that he would have to go up against the Movistar-duo who have entered 6 stage races and won 5 of them (only one being Abu Dhabi Tour, probably even shouldn't be recognised for a race, but lets say 5/6 for good measure). Its not a UK Postal strong-team, but isn't anything to sneeze at either.LaFlorecita said:
1st Comunidad de Valenciana - 1 stage win
1st Tirreno Adriatico - 1 stage win
1st Ruta de Sol - 1 stage win
1st Volta a Catalunya - 3 stage wins
1st Vuelta al Pais Vasco 1 stage win.
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gregrowlerson said:Perhaps Alberto has a lot more respect for his former foe than he lets on.
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Luckily, neither TT are much longer than 20 minutes. I don't think this one gives a fair indication due to pacingLaFlorecita said:
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Yes, they are both - disgracefully - short TT's for Tour standards. This parcours is great for the current day Contador. I think he has lost much more in his TT ability from the 2015 Giro than he has with his ability to climb.
Hence he should be able to limit his losses pretty well against the clock in July. In addition to that there are a number of descent mountain stage finishers this year, which I think can work better for Alberto then just having MTF's. And we don't know what form Froome will bring to the race. Nobody is guaranteed to be there in super form, not even Froome. Apart from Froome, Contador looks to be fairly equal with Porte and Valverde; in fact over the three weeks I'd still rate him slightly above those two. Chaves is very good, but he has had an injury interrupted season, and Quintana is of course doing the double. Assuming that Contador stays on his bike, he has still a reasonable chance to win this years TDF. However, if Froome does have a AX3 or PSM day, then Contador needs to not try to follow; lose one minute rather than two.
Red Rick said:
Yes, they are both - disgracefully - short TT's for Tour standards. This parcours is great for the current day Contador. I think he has lost much more in his TT ability from the 2015 Giro than he has with his ability to climb.
Hence he should be able to limit his losses pretty well against the clock in July. In addition to that there are a number of descent mountain stage finishers this year, which I think can work better for Alberto then just having MTF's. And we don't know what form Froome will bring to the race. Nobody is guaranteed to be there in super form, not even Froome. Apart from Froome, Contador looks to be fairly equal with Porte and Valverde; in fact over the three weeks I'd still rate him slightly above those two. Chaves is very good, but he has had an injury interrupted season, and Quintana is of course doing the double. Assuming that Contador stays on his bike, he has still a reasonable chance to win this years TDF. However, if Froome does have a AX3 or PSM day, then Contador needs to not try to follow; lose one minute rather than two.
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You are totally wrong ...I am a massive Contador fan...And not becuase he wins or I expect to win all the time like his so called biggest fan on here
Its becasue he never gives up
You are typical of all the posters on here who are diagreed with ...They think a dig at them is a dig at Contador...not at all ..One can admire Contador but dislike the posts of his 'fans' on here
But some people cannot seperate themselves from the object of their fanaticism..they actually think they talk for Contador...if that is not irrational I don't know what is
Its goes like this "Dont diagree with me or anything I say or you are anti Contador" ...what a conceit
No one 'owns' the Contador support rights ...
In fact anyone on the fence who came on here would soon turn against suppoting Contador given the irrational , emotional and downright petty posts targeted at Contadors rivals
Buy hey you see what you want if that makes you feel better about poor behaviour
ferryman said:
You are totally wrong ...I am a massive Contador fan...And not becuase he wins or I expect to win all the time like his so called biggest fan on here
Its becasue he never gives up
You are typical of all the posters on here who are diagreed with ...They think a dig at them is a dig at Contador...not at all ..One can admire Contador but dislike the posts of his 'fans' on here
But some people cannot seperate themselves from the object of their fanaticism..they actually think they talk for Contador...if that is not irrational I don't know what is
Its goes like this "Dont diagree with me or anything I say or you are anti Contador" ...what a conceit
No one 'owns' the Contador support rights ...
In fact anyone on the fence who came on here would soon turn against suppoting Contador given the irrational , emotional and downright petty posts targeted at Contadors rivals
Buy hey you see what you want if that makes you feel better about poor behaviour
There's 2 big things at play right now
The big trend from 2016 and 2017 is that initital efforts all seem very impressive, but he seems to be fading a lot at the end of longer efforts. It's like he blocks when he's going deep for a longer time. He literally hasn't done anything great on a long effort since May 2015.
We can't really know how his performances in Catalunya and PV have been affected by fatigue. PN was raced crazy hard and fatigue may have been more of an issue than in 2014 and 2016. He's said he went into last year's DL overtrained, and I'm starting to wonder if you can go into the DL well rested with enough training if you ride 4 stage races hard in the spring. It seems that there's a lot that can go wrong.
The big trend from 2016 and 2017 is that initital efforts all seem very impressive, but he seems to be fading a lot at the end of longer efforts. It's like he blocks when he's going deep for a longer time. He literally hasn't done anything great on a long effort since May 2015.
We can't really know how his performances in Catalunya and PV have been affected by fatigue. PN was raced crazy hard and fatigue may have been more of an issue than in 2014 and 2016. He's said he went into last year's DL overtrained, and I'm starting to wonder if you can go into the DL well rested with enough training if you ride 4 stage races hard in the spring. It seems that there's a lot that can go wrong.
I'd like to have a word or two with this so-called biggest fan who only likes him because he wins. Disgraceful attitude.
The biggest turn-off is the contempt for all of Contador's big rivals, all of them are either arrogant, frauds, freaks or what have you. Its so, so classless when compared to how Contador copes with losses, always classy - if just some of his fans had a fraction of that. It doesn't matter if its Quintana, Valverde, Froome, Porte or Nibali for especially one certain poster - they are in Contador's way hence why they are treated like that.
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