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Well he's lied to us again :razz:
Apart from that, he managed the climb quite correctly. All the other contenders don't seem that good (beside Aru).
Apart from that, he managed the climb quite correctly. All the other contenders don't seem that good (beside Aru).
- May 19, 2014
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I'll give you kudos for trying to attack my argument alluding to one of my favorite riders, instead of actually discussing it.
Your fallacy, however, is clear. Evans had a bad year in 2010, after having good performances (for his own standards) in the previous years. That shows consistency with 2010 being an outlier.
Contador, on the other hand, has been greatly declining, rather than being more or less consistent since 2012, with 2014 being an outlier.
Angliru said:
I'll give you kudos for trying to attack my argument alluding to one of my favorite riders, instead of actually discussing it.
Your fallacy, however, is clear. Evans had a bad year in 2010, after having good performances (for his own standards) in the previous years. That shows consistency with 2010 being an outlier.
Contador, on the other hand, has been greatly declining, rather than being more or less consistent since 2012, with 2014 being an outlier.
- Aug 3, 2015
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How is this disappointing? Given the nature of the stage and the last climb and considering his recent level (last 2 years), this is about par for Contador. Silll a good shot to grab podium. He rode very well within himself today which is a huge plus.
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bajbar said:
If he had 2014 form he would have put 20-30s to Aru.
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now I'm sad. He wasn't even breathingbajbar said:
- Jun 25, 2015
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Quite clear that he would win today. Just look at his face: he does not breathe. Similar to yesterday.TheYouyou7 said:bajbar said:
If he had 2014 form he would have put 20-30s to Aru.
Unfortunately that Alberto will not be there again
- May 15, 2011
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Many riders would give up a kidney to have such a gentle "great decline". We're 5 years on from 2012 and he's still in the fight for a podium position.lenric said:
- Jun 27, 2013
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Who cares about his performance.
Let's get back to discussing what's actually important, how fat is he?
Let's get back to discussing what's actually important, how fat is he?
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You wrote he has been greatly declining since 2012. If that was the case, he'd be finishing in the gruppetto these days. His top level has dropped a few % during several years, that's not greatly declining.lenric said:LaFlorecita said:
Another false equivalence. You're on fire today.
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- May 15, 2011
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What worries me is that he said he wanted to limit his losses because he wasn't feeling well. To me it seems like he is waiting for a feeling or shape that won't come. If he had said that he felt okay but the hard accelerations were just a bit too much I'd be more confident in his abilities to improve and reach a good level.
- Apr 2, 2009
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Contador rode smartly today, but isn't in 2014 shape. Had he been, he would have attacked with Aru and then Froome and Porte in person would have had to jump.
Aru has always made those bold attacks when he wins, taking advantage of his rivals frankly underestimating his potential, which may have been justified in the past, but now no longer. It will be interesting to see how Aru handles his new-found prowess, because he won't be given a leash at all from here on out. Not that he was given one today, because he simply was flying. And I said he would be, because I saw him win the Italian national championships after the Dauphine, where he was already very strong. Go Fabio! If only he were a better TTer, he could really stick it to Froome and Sky this time.
Sorry for the digression, but this does revolve around Contador, who must find it difficult to see a younger rider be able to light up a course the way he used to perform. It doesn't seem he is able to reach the level required any longer, though I wouldn't have thought, even at his age, considering his pedigree, he would not be able to still muster it with all out dedication. The only thing that can be hoped for Contador, is that he planned to reach peak form in the second and third weeks. But this is probably wishful thinking.
Aru has always made those bold attacks when he wins, taking advantage of his rivals frankly underestimating his potential, which may have been justified in the past, but now no longer. It will be interesting to see how Aru handles his new-found prowess, because he won't be given a leash at all from here on out. Not that he was given one today, because he simply was flying. And I said he would be, because I saw him win the Italian national championships after the Dauphine, where he was already very strong. Go Fabio! If only he were a better TTer, he could really stick it to Froome and Sky this time.
Sorry for the digression, but this does revolve around Contador, who must find it difficult to see a younger rider be able to light up a course the way he used to perform. It doesn't seem he is able to reach the level required any longer, though I wouldn't have thought, even at his age, considering his pedigree, he would not be able to still muster it with all out dedication. The only thing that can be hoped for Contador, is that he planned to reach peak form in the second and third weeks. But this is probably wishful thinking.
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Yeah i'm afraid we're gonna het his "manana mas" bulls*** for the rest of the TDF.
LaFlorecita said:
Yeah i'm afraid we're gonna het his "manana mas" bulls*** for the rest of the TDF.
- Mar 20, 2010
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LaFlorecita said:now I'm sad. He wasn't even breathingbajbar said:
Alas those days are gone. No grimace, not even a deep breath, rides away.....
He is a Great Champion in decline, age brings all of them down. I am just happy to have seen the Legend that is Alberto Contador. You all can disagree but I've followed this sport for 50+ years and he is one of the Best to ever throw his leg over a bike in those 50 years.
Hopefully he has enough left to give us a show, if not his legacy is not diminished. His star has dimmed but the Glory of 2007-2015 will always be with us. I have it all on dvd
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He also says it when he's been dropped in a stage. check 2013 and 2015 Tours
LaFlorecita said:
He also says it when he's been dropped in a stage. check 2013 and 2015 Tours
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