He looked good to me, didn't go with accelerations, he rode a smart race. I think he'll do a good Tour.
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Clearly some posters on here would love thatNetserk said:Time to retire.
Better make it happen ASAP and not start the stage tomorrow.
Yep...give Mollema or even Pantana a chance for stage wins. Won't be surprised if doubts in the team have started creeping in like TDF last year.Netserk said:Time to retire.
Better make it happen ASAP and not start the stage tomorrow.
there we go... he should abandonjilbiker said:Yep...give Mollema or even Pantana a chance for stage wins. Won't be surprised if doubts in the team have started creeping in like TDF last year.Netserk said:Time to retire.
Better make it happen ASAP and not start the stage tomorrow.
jilbiker said:Yep...give Mollema or even Pantana a chance for stage wins. Won't be surprised if doubts in the team have started creeping in like TDF last year.Netserk said:Time to retire.
Better make it happen ASAP and not start the stage tomorrow.
Blanco said:He looked good to me, didn't go with accelerations, he rode a smart race. I think he'll do a good Tour.
LaFlorecita said:You say if his goal is to win the 2018 Giro he should retire, he should only continue if he doesn't aim to win anymore.
And I say that's dumb not only because it's dumb but also because it doesn't show much knowledge: he does not want to retire and aiming for wins is what motivates him to train. So if his goal is to win, he'll continue, if his goal is to finish 5th, he retires.
Agree, although Bardet looks good for the podium as wellRollthedice said:Podium is within reach or should I say richie. If he doesn't disintegrate along the way, I think he will battle with LRP for a podium spot, the other looks reserved for Aru. Froome still the favorite based solely on his ability to TT much better than all these three.
jilbiker said:Yep...give Mollema or even Pantana a chance for stage wins. Won't be surprised if doubts in the team have started creeping in like TDF last year.Netserk said:Time to retire.
Better make it happen ASAP and not start the stage tomorrow.
bajbar said:Well, if anything, the way he closed the gap to the group ahead was impressive. He did lose a couple of seconds in the last ramp, which I expected. But the good thing is, that neither Froome nor Porte looked brilliant. I expected Porte to do what Aru did today. Porte seems to have kept the Dauphine shape. All the others have raised it... The Tour might be interesting after all!
Yes he is overrating his ability but that does not matter as long as that motivates him to keep racing. Say, in what way does it harm anyone when he says he's going for 1st but instead finishes 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th? I'd say it doesn't harm anyone but himself and if he is happy with it, why does it bother you so much that you believe he should retire?lenric said:LaFlorecita said:You say if his goal is to win the 2018 Giro he should retire, he should only continue if he doesn't aim to win anymore.
And I say that's dumb not only because it's dumb but also because it doesn't show much knowledge: he does not want to retire and aiming for wins is what motivates him to train. So if his goal is to win, he'll continue, if his goal is to finish 5th, he retires.
I know that what motivates him is to win. I stated that in my previous post, I don't know if you read it. It doesn't seem so.
Anyway, one thing is wanting to win. Other is having the capacity to win. Between those two, excluding crashes and other unpredictable events, is overrated form. If that happens regularly (as it has been), then there's an overrated ability.
Like I have already stated, and you seem to ignore, the reality is oblivious to Contador's perception of it. No matter how much he wants to win and be on form, he's no longer a factor.
Jspear said:bajbar said:Well, if anything, the way he closed the gap to the group ahead was impressive. He did lose a couple of seconds in the last ramp, which I expected. But the good thing is, that neither Froome nor Porte looked brilliant. I expected Porte to do what Aru did today. Porte seems to have kept the Dauphine shape. All the others have raised it... The Tour might be interesting after all!
Froome and Porte looked fine. Froome is in the yellow jersey for one thing. Plus Froome and Porte were close to being the best on this stage. They will only get better. Fingers crossed that the same applies to AC.
lenric said:If his goal in 2018 is to win the Giro, then he should retire, because that won't obviously happen. Or, at least, as easily as in 2015.
Otherwise, keep riding however he wants, as long as he's not stating he's coming here and there to win when he simply doesn't have it in him anymore.
Jspear said:bajbar said:Well, if anything, the way he closed the gap to the group ahead was impressive. He did lose a couple of seconds in the last ramp, which I expected. But the good thing is, that neither Froome nor Porte looked brilliant. I expected Porte to do what Aru did today. Porte seems to have kept the Dauphine shape. All the others have raised it... The Tour might be interesting after all!
Froome and Porte looked fine. Froome is in the yellow jersey for one thing. Plus Froome and Porte were close to being the best on this stage. They will only get better. Fingers crossed that the same applies to AC.
IF you've won 3 tours (i still count the discounted one) a couple of giros and a vuelta, that's not good enoughLaFlorecita said:For goodness' sake he's still better than 95% of the peloton.Dekker_Tifosi said:Damn I was woefully wrong. Looks like Contador doesn't have anything anymore. But retirement
Blanco said:He looked good to me, didn't go with accelerations, he rode a smart race. I think he'll do a good Tour.
lenric said:LaFlorecita said:You say if his goal is to win the 2018 Giro he should retire, he should only continue if he doesn't aim to win anymore.
And I say that's dumb not only because it's dumb but also because it doesn't show much knowledge: he does not want to retire and aiming for wins is what motivates him to train. So if his goal is to win, he'll continue, if his goal is to finish 5th, he retires.
I know that what motivates him is to win. I stated that in my previous post, I don't know if you read it. It doesn't seem so.
Anyway, one thing is wanting to win. Other is having the capacity to win. Between those two, excluding crashes and other unpredictable events, is overrated form. If that happens regularly (as it has been), then there's an overrated ability.
Like I have already stated, and you seem to ignore, the reality is oblivious to Contador's perception of it. No matter how much he wants to win and be on form, he's no longer a factor.
well, for him it is, else he would have retired after 2013's arsekicking.Dekker_Tifosi said:IF you've won 3 tours (i still count the discounted one) a couple of giros and a vuelta, that's not good enoughLaFlorecita said:For goodness' sake he's still better than 95% of the peloton.Dekker_Tifosi said:Damn I was woefully wrong. Looks like Contador doesn't have anything anymore. But retirement
Rollthedice said:Podium is within reach or should I say richie. If he doesn't disintegrate along the way, I think he will battle with LRP for a podium spot, the other looks reserved for Aru. Froome still the favorite based solely on his ability to TT much better than all these three.
As do I, IF he has reasonably good form. Still not sure about that.Blanco said:Rollthedice said:Podium is within reach or should I say richie. If he doesn't disintegrate along the way, I think he will battle with LRP for a podium spot, the other looks reserved for Aru. Froome still the favorite based solely on his ability to TT much better than all these three.
About that last TT, I actually think Contador will do really good there...