Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
Footage of Landa, but this is about the commentary

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_ES/status/972500986420912128
He sounds a bit awkward, I love it :D and when Landa starts his sprint, "Mikel wins, Mikel wins, for sure"

Damn, I wish I lived in Spain
It's the a sprint finish, which is usually the part where the main commentator starts yelling and the co commentator hangs out the window (or that's Ducrot only :D )
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
Footage of Landa, but this is about the commentary

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_ES/status/972500986420912128
He sounds a bit awkward, I love it :D and when Landa starts his sprint, "Mikel wins, Mikel wins, for sure"

Damn, I wish I lived in Spain
I loved it too :D he really ruined the suspense when he said "Mikel wins, for sure". he has to learn that one of the jobs of a commentator is to create suspense to the fans :D
 
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portugal11 said:
LaFlorecita said:
Red Rick said:
Footage of Landa, but this is about the commentary

https://twitter.com/Eurosport_ES/status/972500986420912128
He sounds a bit awkward, I love it :D and when Landa starts his sprint, "Mikel wins, Mikel wins, for sure"

Damn, I wish I lived in Spain
I loved it too :D he really ruined the suspense when he said "Mikel wins, for sure". he has to learn that one of the jobs of a commentator is to create suspense to the fans :D
He'll get better, I hope Eurosport have patience :) the comments I see on social media are mostly positive
 
He needs some time. When Christian VanderVelde started with NBC he was very hesitant in what he was saying and he's gotten a lot better to the point I'd rather him be doing the races with Steve Schlanger than any of the other announcers we have for TV. There are still two things in which VanderVelde is still a bit hesitant with and that is saying much when one of his friends, who are still racing, are involved in something or not sure about telling stories of his time in the peloton. Last year at the Duaphine is a good example of that one that. During the ITT when Valverde started his time trial VanderVelde said I've got a fun story about him, me and an ITT way back when we were both young if you want to hear it. His commontator partners said, please tell the story, which he did. As long as they give him time he'll get better. I agree wish I was in Spain so I could hear him as well.
 
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Koronin said:
He needs some time. When Christian VanderVelde started with NBC he was very hesitant in what he was saying and he's gotten a lot better to the point I'd rather him be doing the races with Steve Schlanger than any of the other announcers we have for TV. There are still two things in which VanderVelde is still a bit hesitant with and that is saying much when one of his friends, who are still racing, are involved in something or not sure about telling stories of his time in the peloton. Last year at the Duaphine is a good example of that one that. During the ITT when Valverde started his time trial VanderVelde said I've got a fun story about him, me and an ITT way back when we were both young if you want to hear it. His commontator partners said, please tell the story, which he did. As long as they give him time he'll get better. I agree wish I was in Spain so I could hear him as well.
I'll take the bait. Would you relay the fun story to us? :)
 
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tobydawq said:
Koronin said:
He needs some time. When Christian VanderVelde started with NBC he was very hesitant in what he was saying and he's gotten a lot better to the point I'd rather him be doing the races with Steve Schlanger than any of the other announcers we have for TV. There are still two things in which VanderVelde is still a bit hesitant with and that is saying much when one of his friends, who are still racing, are involved in something or not sure about telling stories of his time in the peloton. Last year at the Duaphine is a good example of that one that. During the ITT when Valverde started his time trial VanderVelde said I've got a fun story about him, me and an ITT way back when we were both young if you want to hear it. His commontator partners said, please tell the story, which he did. As long as they give him time he'll get better. I agree wish I was in Spain so I could hear him as well.
I'll take the bait. Would you relay the fun story to us? :)
LOL, sure although I didn't post it because this is a thread for Alberto. But here's the story:
Christian again reiterated that this was early in their careers and Alejandro was not a very good time trailist at the time. He said he started right after Alejandro and it was a 1 minute difference. He said he caught Alejandro and Alejandro was cheering for him when he passed him. Christian said he is the only rider he's ever passed on during a TT that was cheering for the guy passing him. He said at that moment he knew he was going to have a lot of fun riding in the peloton with Alejandro. He said Alejandro did not disappoint on that realization.
 
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Koronin said:
tobydawq said:
Koronin said:
He needs some time. When Christian VanderVelde started with NBC he was very hesitant in what he was saying and he's gotten a lot better to the point I'd rather him be doing the races with Steve Schlanger than any of the other announcers we have for TV. There are still two things in which VanderVelde is still a bit hesitant with and that is saying much when one of his friends, who are still racing, are involved in something or not sure about telling stories of his time in the peloton. Last year at the Duaphine is a good example of that one that. During the ITT when Valverde started his time trial VanderVelde said I've got a fun story about him, me and an ITT way back when we were both young if you want to hear it. His commontator partners said, please tell the story, which he did. As long as they give him time he'll get better. I agree wish I was in Spain so I could hear him as well.
I'll take the bait. Would you relay the fun story to us? :)
LOL, sure although I didn't post it because this is a thread for Alberto. But here's the story:
Christian again reiterated that this was early in their careers and Alejandro was not a very good time trailist at the time. He said he started right after Alejandro and it was a 1 minute difference. He said he caught Alejandro and Alejandro was cheering for him when he passed him. Christian said he is the only rider he's ever passed on during a TT that was cheering for the guy passing him. He said at that moment he knew he was going to have a lot of fun riding in the peloton with Alejandro. He said Alejandro did not disappoint on that realization.
Nice. I'll continue this slight deviation: In the Tour of 2007, Michael Rasmussen passed Valverde on the ITT even though he started a full three minutes behind him. I was at a lecture held by Rasmussen last year, and he said that he had felt really sorry for Valverde because he was his favourite rider (and he still is to this day).

Okay - let's get back on track. What estimations do we have for Alberto's fat percentage based on his commentary? :D
 
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tobydawq said:
Koronin said:
tobydawq said:
Koronin said:
He needs some time. When Christian VanderVelde started with NBC he was very hesitant in what he was saying and he's gotten a lot better to the point I'd rather him be doing the races with Steve Schlanger than any of the other announcers we have for TV. There are still two things in which VanderVelde is still a bit hesitant with and that is saying much when one of his friends, who are still racing, are involved in something or not sure about telling stories of his time in the peloton. Last year at the Duaphine is a good example of that one that. During the ITT when Valverde started his time trial VanderVelde said I've got a fun story about him, me and an ITT way back when we were both young if you want to hear it. His commontator partners said, please tell the story, which he did. As long as they give him time he'll get better. I agree wish I was in Spain so I could hear him as well.
I'll take the bait. Would you relay the fun story to us? :)
LOL, sure although I didn't post it because this is a thread for Alberto. But here's the story:
Christian again reiterated that this was early in their careers and Alejandro was not a very good time trailist at the time. He said he started right after Alejandro and it was a 1 minute difference. He said he caught Alejandro and Alejandro was cheering for him when he passed him. Christian said he is the only rider he's ever passed on during a TT that was cheering for the guy passing him. He said at that moment he knew he was going to have a lot of fun riding in the peloton with Alejandro. He said Alejandro did not disappoint on that realization.
Nice. I'll continue this slight deviation: In the Tour of 2007, Michael Rasmussen passed Valverde on the ITT even though he started a full three minutes behind him. I was at a lecture held by Rasmussen last year, and he said that he had felt really sorry for Valverde because he was his favourite rider (and he still is to this day).

Okay - let's get back on track. What estimations do we have for Alberto's fat percentage based on his commentary? :D

Yeah, and another example that Valverde is one of the very few riders to actually improve his time trialing after having been a pro for a long time. Although taking a year and a half off isn't exactly the most recommended way to do that. (Christian did allude to that along with being amazed by his ability to just continue to always race at the same level). On the other hand Alberto started off as a better time trialist.

Can we actually figure out fat percentage based on commentary?
 
I think we can say with (close to) certainty that Valverde didn't cheered Rasmussen on in that time trial. That was definitely one of the most humiliating things for him in his pro career, I remember watching that time trial and really didn't know to react when Rasmussen of all freaking riders just blew past him. But its very much true what tobydawq says, Rasmussen is a big Valverde-fan and always does some Twitter-update when he wins. I think that goes back to Courchevel when they both along with Armstrong and Paco Mancebo where in the final. The VandeVelde story is fun, by the way.

Aight, enough hijacking. I would also love to listen to Contador commentating!
 
Here is an idea. The Juan and only goes to spanish eurosport, and Contador takes Flecha's role, so not only Spanish people can listen to him. And not only would we all get our fair share of Contador on Eurosport we also wouldn't be told anymore that every freakin speed bump is the hardest climb of the whole race. Then again, Contador would probably always tell us that he just produced his best numbers ever. Hard to say which one is better :D
 
Gigs_98 said:
Here is an idea. The Juan and only goes to spanish eurosport, and Contador takes Flecha's role, so not only Spanish people can listen to him. And not only would we all get our fair share of Contador on Eurosport we also wouldn't be told anymore that every freakin speed bump is the hardest climb of the whole race. Then again, Contador would probably always tell us that he just produced his best numbers ever. Hard to say which one is better :D
"It's a tough climb, great place to attack, and also I just set a new PR on my test climb, and ...."
But can you imagine all the Anglos complaining about his English, I mean they even complain about JA :rolleyes:
 
Gigs_98 said:
Here is an idea. The Juan and only goes to spanish eurosport, and Contador takes Flecha's role, so not only Spanish people can listen to him. And not only would we all get our fair share of Contador on Eurosport we also wouldn't be told anymore that every freakin speed bump is the hardest climb of the whole race. Then again, Contador would probably always tell us that he just produced his best numbers ever. Hard to say which one is better :D
Be careful what you wish for, Contador is painful to listen to as a commentator right now. I think there are two problems: firstly, his voice is pretty grating to listen to for hours on end. It's really scratchy and a bit whiny, he could certainly do with some coaching to improve this - vary his tone and intonation a bit more as well.

Secondly, he says absolutely nothing of interest. He must have so much interesting insight into racing and great stories, but he can't seem able to (or doesn't want to) communicate them. And so he ends up just speaking in platitudes and cliches.

I imagine both of these can and will improve over time though - particularly as he becomes more distanced from the current crop of riders. But i'm not sure it's a great career for him; it comes way more naturally to someone like Purito.
 
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We have a former cyclist at ESP Romania for about 5-6 years, I think and he is like he was born for this. I agree about Contador having an odd voice but still beter than Cadel.
 
I don't really care about voices, many people feel our ES commentator José Been has an annoying voice but I love her as a commentator, while NOS (public broadcaster) commentator Maarten Ducrot has a great voice for commentating but annoys the hell out of me. It's all about the commentary, not the voice. And Berto as co-commentator is just there for insight knowledge and interesting anecdotes. I can't say how well he's done in that area but the reactions on social media have been mainly positive.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Yes, coaching to improve your voice, that'll work :rolleyes:
Maybe you should let Eurosport ES know, they'll appreciate the input - especially because most comments I've seen on social media have been positive.
Uh, yeah. Ofc that would help. If you want to train your voice, you can improve a lot.
 
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Netserk said:
LaFlorecita said:
Yes, coaching to improve your voice, that'll work :rolleyes:
Maybe you should let Eurosport ES know, they'll appreciate the input - especially because most comments I've seen on social media have been positive.
Uh, yeah. Ofc that would help. If you want to train your voice, you can improve a lot.
I actually don't know if thats sarcastic, I don't think it is? :D
 
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Netserk said:
LaFlorecita said:
Yes, coaching to improve your voice, that'll work :rolleyes:
Maybe you should let Eurosport ES know, they'll appreciate the input - especially because most comments I've seen on social media have been positive.
Uh, yeah. Ofc that would help. If you want to train your voice, you can improve a lot.
Really? You can change not just your intonation and articulation but also the way your voice sounds, i.e. how your vocal chords function in daily speech without surgery? I didn't know that.

Still sounds like a ridiculous suggestion to me.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Netserk said:
LaFlorecita said:
Yes, coaching to improve your voice, that'll work :rolleyes:
Maybe you should let Eurosport ES know, they'll appreciate the input - especially because most comments I've seen on social media have been positive.
Uh, yeah. Ofc that would help. If you want to train your voice, you can improve a lot.
Really? You can change not just your intonation and articulation but also the way your voice sounds, i.e. how your vocal chords function in daily speech without surgery? I didn't know that.

Still sounds like a ridiculous suggestion to me.
It doesn't have to be anything drastic; just talking with rounder vowels and richer tones. Varying intonation more... pretty easy stuff to learn - every actor has gone through the process. A lot of people can do it naturally;for example they have a different voice on the telephone than when talking to their friends in a bar.
But some can't and need training for it. Look at the difference in the way for example Rob Hatch speaks on air, compared to in more informal settings.

Either way, Contador's voice is pretty grating at the moment, and it wouldn't take a whole lot of effort to improve that aspect.
 
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DFA123 said:
A lot of people can do it naturally;for example they have a different voice on the telephone than when talking to their friends in a bar.
But some can't and need training for it. Look at the difference in the way for example Rob Hatch speaks on air, compared to in more informal settings.
You're right, I hadn't thought about that. But seems like a weird thing to expect from an ex-pro who's just been asked to do a couple races for Eurosport for fun.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
A lot of people can do it naturally;for example they have a different voice on the telephone than when talking to their friends in a bar.
But some can't and need training for it. Look at the difference in the way for example Rob Hatch speaks on air, compared to in more informal settings.
You're right, I hadn't thought about that. But seems like a weird thing to expect from an ex-pro who's just been asked to do a couple races for Eurosport for fun.
For sure, if it's just going to be a one off thing then there's not really much point. But if he's going to be doing it semi-regularly for the next 10 years, it would be a cool thing to improve.
 

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