Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Red Rick]

I always forget if the calcs include bike weight or not.

 

[70kmph]

It s difficult to believe that, with all due respect.

Discussion here
http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/...ance with,finest achievement in the mountains.

 

[Rui Machado]

Discussion here
http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/2009/07/tour-2009-contador-climb.html#:~:text="Contador achieves exceptional performance with,finest achievement in the mountains.

"This gives a relative power output of 6.78 w/kg".
That s a more reasonable number.

 

[42x16ss]

It s difficult to believe that, with all due respect.

Agreed. 7.2W/kg is peak Pantani output

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Wow! I actually didn’t realize that was a record. I watched that Tour but it wasn’t as easy to get context back then, or I suppose I just wasn’t aware of how to. I’m assuming that record still stands, or has Froome surpassed it?

 

[Rui Machado]

Agreed. 7.2W/kg is peak Pantani output

Unless some rider has a vox2 max 98/99 or something, it s impossible to do that.

 

[Red Rick]

The surprising thing to me isn't the power output, it's the fact that this record was set on a shallower climb.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The surprising thing to me isn't the power output, it's the fact that this record was set on a shallower climb.

Wasn't the beginning ridden not as hard? I don't remember fully and haven't had time to rewatch Lantern Rouges video.

 

[Red Rick]

Wasn't the beginning ridden not as hard? I don't remember fully and haven't had time to rewatch Lantern Rouges video.

Nah the beginning was done super fast. Apart from a shallow cat 2 it was basically a unipuerto stage with some false flat kms, but the fact that it only had 10 dudes remaining after 3km of climbing shows you the speed on the bottom must have been insane.

Still, even considering that, it's by far the biggest VAM and W/kg outlier in the last 15 years, it might even be Schlecks best performance, so I don't really doubt there was also a significant tailwind too.

Also it's a pattern we've come to see quite often now where a unipuerto stage that's just completely drilled on the bottom of the climb gets insane gaps compared to big multimountain stages for some reason.

Still sad Contador didn't go loco on Mont Ventoux that year.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The surprising thing to me isn't the power output, it's the fact that this record was set on a shallower climb.

It's also a shorter climb and an easy stage, Hautacam is about twice as long.
Robobasso on Monte-Bondone is the highest performance on a really long climb in the last 15 years.

 

[Red Rick]

It's also a shorter climb and an easy stage, Hautacam is about twice as long.
Robobasso on Monte-Bondone is the highest performance on a really long climb in the last 15 years.

What VAM was that again?

Anyway really long climbs don't get enough love these days.

 

[gregrowlerson]

The surprising thing to me isn't the power output, it's the fact that this record was set on a shallower climb.

I have hiked up that road. Didn't seem all that shallow to me!

 

[Mayomaniac]

What VAM was that again?

Anyway really long climbs don't get enough love these days.

A VAM of 1780 for 46min 15sec
Source:

https://twitter.com/x/status/301026257871724545

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/301026257871724545

 

[Forever The Best]

6.62 W/kg for 45+ minutes. 2006 Basso was another level.

 

[Andy schleck]

That performance on verbier wasn t that so good! That stage just had one mountain climb, and verbier is not that so hard.
Bradley wiggins just lost 1 min and 9 seconds to contador on that climb, and wiggins weren t a great climber. Quintana, froome or schleck had done better performances than that in their careers.
Remember ax 3 domaines 2013, froome climbed ax 3 domaines in 21 min and 40 seconds, contador climbed verbier in 20 min and 55 s. Froome just lost 45 seconds, with port pailheres before ax 3 domaines and, not forget ax 3 domaines is a little bit dificult.
Quintana this year had done a better performance than contador on verbier, on mont ventoux.

 

[tobydawq]

So you're comparing absolute climbing times on two different climbs?

 

[42x16ss]

Nah the beginning was done super fast. Apart from a shallow cat 2 it was basically a unipuerto stage with some false flat kms, but the fact that it only had 10 dudes remaining after 3km of climbing shows you the speed on the bottom must have been insane.

Still, even considering that, it's by far the biggest VAM and W/kg outlier in the last 15 years, it might even be Schlecks best performance, so I don't really doubt there was also a significant tailwind too.

Also it's a pattern we've come to see quite often now where a unipuerto stage that's just completely drilled on the bottom of the climb gets insane gaps compared to big multimountain stages for some reason.

Still sad Contador didn't go loco on Mont Ventoux that year.

But then he couldn't give the thumbs up to Lance

 

[gregrowlerson]

That performance on verbier wasn t that so good! That stage just had one mountain climb, and verbier is not that so hard.
Bradley wiggins just lost 1 min and 9 seconds to contador on that climb, and wiggins weren t a great climber. Quintana, froome or schleck had done better performances than that in their careers.
Remember ax 3 domaines 2013, froome climbed ax 3 domaines in 21 min and 40 seconds, contador climbed verbier in 20 min and 55 s. Froome just lost 45 seconds, with port pailheres before ax 3 domaines and, not forget ax 3 domaines is a little bit dificult.
Quintana this year had done a better performance than contador on verbier, on mont ventoux.

Not very surprising, coming from 'Andy Schleck'

Good point about the Pailheres though.

 

[Red Rick]

Wait are we literally comparing time gaps on DIFFERENT CLIMBS?

 

[Red Rick]

Lol.

I see now that Contador in 2010 Schleck/Contador would've been within within 50s of Froome while doing track stands.

 

[Andy schleck]

People need to stop to that history of the 6.77 w/kg, it was a great performance, but not the best ever, and nothing that other gc riders can t do.
Quintana had done this year 6.75 watts/kg on ventoux, in a effort of 27 min! Not 20 min. In 20 min que can do for shure 6.9 w/kg.
Froome had done 6.45 w/kg on ax 3 domaines with pailhered in his legs. And if froome does 6.45 w/kg and contador does 6.77, froome is more fast in a climb because froome has more weight. Contador-62 kg×6.77 w/kg=420, froome weight 6.45×67kg=422 watts, more 12 watts.

 

[Andy schleck]

Wait are we literally comparing time gaps on DIFFERENT CLIMBS?

Comparing performance in similar climbs.

 

[Andy schleck]

Contador just were the best rider in the world between 2007 and 2009. Andy schleck were the best rider in 2010 and 2011. Froome the best rider between 2012 and 2018.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

And if froome does 6.45 w/kg and contador does 6.77, froome is more fast in a climb because froome has more weight. Contador-62 kg×6.77 w/kg=420, froome weight 6.45×67kg=422 watts, more 12 watts.

Something tells me you don’t understand the concept of w/kg and why it’s relevant when talking about climbing performances....

 

[HelloDolly]

Its not just w/kg ..its for how long but more importantly when...that makes the difference