Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[LaFlorecita]

Ferrari calculated that Contador did 6.87w/kg for 6 and a half minutes, between 6km to go and 3km to go. Impressive nonetheless, but you gave the impression (deliberately or otherwise) that the quoted figure was for the whole climb.

I posted this before and Miburo was referring to it so I just posted what I still remembered.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Ferrari? Oh

Ferrari's calculations have on several occasions been proven to be extremely exaggerated and inaccurate.

lol don't listen to Ferrari he can't even measure the time and height change properly.

It's the only thing we have, if you don't agree with it I suggest that you offer a different calculation.

 

[Ferminal]

No what I mean is don't go by what Ferrari himself says, his numbers may as well be made up. jens is much better at timing

 

[LaFlorecita]

Power files.

Unfortunately Alberto doesn't make them public so calculations are all we have.

 

[LaFlorecita]

No what I mean is don't go by what Ferrari himself says, his numbers may as well be made up. jens is much better at timing

So what does jens say about Etna?

 

[Miburo]

Unfortunately Alberto doesn't make them public so calculations are all we have.

Didn't Lemond orso make a calculation of his climbing on verbier?

I remember something like that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Didn't Lemond orso make a calculation of his climbing on verbier?

I remember something like that.

He calculated his VO2 max but it was most likely BS since 99.5 mL/kg/min would be the highest recorded VO2 max ever.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

He calculated his VO2 max but it was most likely BS since 99.5 mL/kg/min would be the highest recorded VO2 max ever.

I know some ski racers have been up to something like 95 (?) or so

 

[airstream]

Can you elaborate, why?

If your way of reasoning coincides with Miburo's one and implies the 2011 Giro shape is impossible to beat BECAUSE the fact of reaching that shape drops all the riders automatically, we can not discuss this further. Then I agree because a shape dropping all rivals in any race (as a part of your logic) is unbeatable by default

 

[Publicus]

If your way of reasoning coincides with Miburo's one and implies the 2011 Giro shape is impossible to beat BECAUSE the fact of reaching that shape drops all the riders automatically, we can not discuss this further. Then I agree because a shape dropping all rivals in any race (as a part of your logic) is unbeatable by default

No need to get defensive. YOU made a claim that you thought Froome's form would be superior to Contador's come July (in an Alberto Contador discussion thread no less!) without any supporting reasoning. So why do you think Froome's top end form will be superior to Contador's? It is a fair question.

 

[airstream]

No need to get defensive. YOU made a claim that you thought Froome's form would be superior to Contador's come July (in an Alberto Contador discussion thread no less!) without any supporting reasoning. So why do you think Froome's top end form will be superior to Contador's? It is a fair question.

I'm not defensive. What support reasoning do you expect from me? That is just the way I feel. You are free to feel differently. If we open the Tour poll today 50% (or a bit less) of posters will vote for Froome and what? Will you demand supporting reasonings from them and ask them wrong for lack of these reasonings?

Froome is a better time trialist and not worse climber. Though he is able to gain seconds in the mountains as well.

 

[Froome19]

No need to get defensive. YOU made a claim that you thought Froome's form would be superior to Contador's come July (in an Alberto Contador discussion thread no less!) without any supporting reasoning. So why do you think Froome's top end form will be superior to Contador's? It is a fair question.

I don't know if he means form as in "limit - 100% and Froome is riding at 99%, Contador 97%" rather form as in Froome will be better.

 

[Froome19]

Straight from the power discussion in the clinic. Contador had headwind on Etna, don't know about PDBF

Different situations, but Froome certainly was not at his limit on PDBF.

 

[airstream]

I wouldn't say Contador couldn't ride Etna faster. Anyway sometimes he was slowing down a bit, talking to Rujano, exploring Scarponi's face, but anyone is unlikely to say Froome could not have ridden Planche des Belles Filles better if he had not ridden for the team. The fact how brutally he cut Evans into halves in a finish sprint says a lot.

 

[Publicus]

I'm not defensive. What support reasoning do you expect from me? That is just the way I feel. You are free to feel differently. If we open the Tour poll today 50% (or a bit less) of posters will vote for Froome and what? Will you demand supporting reasonings from them and ask them wrong for lack of these reasonings?

Froome is a better time trialist and not worse climber. Though he is able to gain seconds in the mountains as well.

Relax chief. You ARE getting defensive. It's a cycling forum. I was just curious if you had any rationale beyond that's "my opinion." I'm always interested in folks thoughts about these things (why I participate in these discussions). And yes, if someone made a conclusory statement like your statement, I'd ask them as well (sorry, you aren't special ) for the same reason.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Relax chief. You ARE getting defensive. It's a cycling forum. I was just curious if you had any rationale beyond that's "my opinion." I'm always interested in folks thoughts about these things (why I participate in these discussions). And yes, if someone us made a conclusory statement like your statement, I'd ask them as well (sorry, you aren't special ) for the same reason.

Can you pretend that you have different proffesion sometimes?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Straight from the power discussion in the clinic. Contador had headwind on Etna, don't know about PDBF

Higher VAM is easier on a steeper climb right?

 

[Netserk]

Higher VAM is easier on a steeper climb right?

Yes.

But I'm not sure if at least the estimate on Contador is a pure x VAM = y W/kg

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yeah, and it's also easier and on a short climb instead of doing on the last 6k of a 20km climb with significant headwind

True that, in other words a fine performance by Alberto.

 

[Publicus]

Can you pretend that you have different proffesion sometimes?

I am who I am, no matter how much others want me to be otherwise

 

[sacrifice&hardwork]

I think Alberto would look sexy with glasses (cool glasses not nerdy ones)

Did you had something like this (picture) in mind?

 

[LaFlorecita]

No but a still a very nice picture

 

[LaFlorecita]

Alberto Contador @albertocontador
Away from home again,our three secrets,work,work and more work.

 

[Forunculo]

He has to lose some weight, look at Jesus, he has been a good pro

 

[Miburo]

He has to lose some weight, look at Jesus, he has been a good pro

I think he'll be on his competition weight in T-A, from now on we'll see the real Contador.

No excuses, but i know we won't need to make any anyways