Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Jecob14]

Florecita, Blurry, Miburo, arc40 and Netserk.. his stubborn highness..others...

Do you realize that all of you are boundlessly far away from reality? You all live by something which doesn't exist (image of Contador you draw in the thread, not Contador himself) You built so many myths, encouraged so many mystifications in very debatable cases, called this image grand and infallible so many times for so long, that the image completely ousted real Contador during his lifetime. Real Contador is the most winning GT racer in the last 10 years, versatile rider whose power and merits don't absolutely need redundant glorifications and it's a giant train of coincidences and controversy. But it doesn't interest you since you always hype and overdramatize successful moments for Contador and underrate successful moments of his opponents. You always belittle Nibali when he's threat for Contador. The same works for Froome anyone else. You will always belittle anyone, able to be a threat for Contador because reality doesn't interest you since reality sometimes consists of frustrations. However, you don't want to see any little frustrations in the area you are interested in, so you close the eyes when you don't want to see anything you dislike. And all absurdity of your thoughts are in that. If Contador gets beaten - he's out of shape, if Contador gets beaten - he always has allegedly bigger reserve, if he crushes out of the race, he's not blame for that, the asphalt is blame. Contador cannot be beaten while on form since it's Contador - one enormous delusion you've diligently constucted on here for years. It's madness because you are mentally unable to look at the things under healthy angle without exaggerations and actual distortions (if he's beaten in even match, you say he could win but didn't want, if he drops someone, he could easily do it 10 km before, for you he could easily win Zoncolan and easily keep up with Rodriguez at Mundo, for you Froome could win the Tour only because he didn't experience against on form Contador, however thought about thought about on form Nibali, Quintana and Froome won't hit you mind. Even for 2015 you prefer to look into only perfect scenarios for Contador. To be sure!!! Otherwise what's the hell to watch it... A million of examples can be brought in this regard...And huge personal problems are concealed behind it.


You got lost in your lives and look like little kids who hid in their toy house to abscond from real life. Think about it at leisure (I mean leisure, not forum, because forum is job for you given the time you spend here).

 

[LaFlorecita]

Florecita, Blurry, Miburo, arc40 and Netserk.. his stubborn highness..others...

Do you realize that all of you are boundlessly far away from reality? You all live by something which doesn't exist (image of Contador you draw in the thread, not Contador himself) You built so many myths, encouraged so many mystifications in very debatable cases, called this image grand and infallible so many times for so long, that the image completely ousted real Contador during his lifetime. Real Contador is the most winning GT racer in the last 10 years, versatile rider whose power and merits don't absolutely need redundant glorifications and it's a giant train of coincidences and controversy. But it doesn't interest you since you always hype and overdramatize successful moments for Contador and underrate successful moments of his opponents. You always belittle Nibali when he's threat for Contador. The same works for Froome anyone else. You will always belittle anyone, able to be a threat for Contador because reality doesn't interest you since reality sometimes consists of frustrations. However, you don't want to see any little frustrations in the area you are interested in, so you close the eyes when you don't want to see anything you dislike. And all absurdity of your thoughts are in that. If Contador gets beaten - he's out of shape, if Contador gets beaten - he always has allegedly bigger reserve, if he crushes out of the race, he's not blame for that, the asphalt is blame. Contador cannot be beaten while on form since it's Contador - one enormous delusion you've diligently constucted on here for years. It's madness because you are mentally unable to look at the things under healthy angle without exaggerations and actual distortions (if he's beaten in even match, you say he could win but didn't want, if he drops someone, he could easily do it 10 km before, for you he could easily win Zoncolan and easily keep up with Rodriguez at Mundo, for you Froome could win the Tour only because he didn't experience against on form Contador, however thought about thought about on form Nibali, Quintana and Froome won't hit you mind. Even for 2015 you prefer to look into only perfect scenarios for Contador. To be sure!!! Otherwise what's the hell to watch it... A million of examples can be brought in this regard...And huge personal problems are concealed behind it.


You got lost in your lives and look like little kids who hid in their toy house to abscond from real life. Think about it at leisure (I mean leisure, not forum, because forum is job for you given the time you spend here).

Why can't you just stay away?

 

[greenedge]

That was really disappointing. Although 2006 Basso was super strong, I was hoping he wouldnt have the reserves to pull out the Tour. Simoni referred to basso as a extra terrestrial.

If he was there, there would have been no way Floyd could have won with that solo attack.
Also with the Basso and Ulrich debate as to who was better- Basso was a stronger climber, Ulrich an ITTer so each had their strengths.

 

[Red Rick]

Florecita, Blurry, Miburo, arc40 and Netserk.. his stubborn highness..others...

Do you realize that all of you are boundlessly far away from reality? You all live by something which doesn't exist (image of Contador you draw in the thread, not Contador himself) You built so many myths, encouraged so many mystifications in very debatable cases, called this image grand and infallible so many times for so long, that the image completely ousted real Contador during his lifetime. Real Contador is the most winning GT racer in the last 10 years, versatile rider whose power and merits don't absolutely need redundant glorifications and it's a giant train of coincidences and controversy. But it doesn't interest you since you always hype and overdramatize successful moments for Contador and underrate successful moments of his opponents. You always belittle Nibali when he's threat for Contador. The same works for Froome anyone else. You will always belittle anyone, able to be a threat for Contador because reality doesn't interest you since reality sometimes consists of frustrations. However, you don't want to see any little frustrations in the area you are interested in, so you close the eyes when you don't want to see anything you dislike. And all absurdity of your thoughts are in that. If Contador gets beaten - he's out of shape, if Contador gets beaten - he always has allegedly bigger reserve, if he crushes out of the race, he's not blame for that, the asphalt is blame. Contador cannot be beaten while on form since it's Contador - one enormous delusion you've diligently constucted on here for years. It's madness because you are mentally unable to look at the things under healthy angle without exaggerations and actual distortions (if he's beaten in even match, you say he could win but didn't want, if he drops someone, he could easily do it 10 km before, for you he could easily win Zoncolan and easily keep up with Rodriguez at Mundo, for you Froome could win the Tour only because he didn't experience against on form Contador, however thought about thought about on form Nibali, Quintana and Froome won't hit you mind. Even for 2015 you prefer to look into only perfect scenarios for Contador. To be sure!!! Otherwise what's the hell to watch it... A million of examples can be brought in this regard...And huge personal problems are concealed behind it.


You got lost in your lives and look like little kids who hid in their toy house to abscond from real life. Think about it at leisure (I mean leisure, not forum, because forum is job for you given the time you spend here).

There you are, we missed you

 

[BlurryVII]

Florecita, Blurry, Miburo, arc40 and Netserk.. his stubborn highness..others...

1- You always belittle Nibali when he's threat for Contador.

2- crushes out of the race, he's not blame for that, the asphalt is blame.

3- Contador cannot be beaten while on form since it's Contador -

4- for you he could easily win Zoncolan and easily keep up with Rodriguez at Mundo,

5-for you Froome could win the Tour only because he didn't experience against on form Contador

6- however thought about thought about on form Nibali, Quintana and Froome won't hit you mind.

1- Nibali's 2014 Tour performance is OVERRATED. He had no opponent, and given his numbers, would have been beaten by Contador.

Objectively, AC is better climber and TTer than Nibali (if you don't think so, you're deluded, it's not even about being an AC fan ), so the italian, even in top form, is not much of a threat to a on-form AC.

2- So it takes bike handling skills to recover from hitting a bump/hole on the road. Hope you're joking.
The road is not to blame, bad luck is. Certainly not Contador himself.
Even Froome is not to blame, he crashed because of others in the peloton.

3- Alright, When's the last time Contador has fairly been beaten when on-form?

Catalunya 14'? Wasn't that much in form, but I'll grant you those 4s for Rodriguez

Dauphiné 14'? No team.

Then what? Paris Nice 09'? Sugar craving in Fayence.

4. I've personally never thought so, I don't think he could've won Zoncolan 11', he had one bad day, and I don't think he could've kept up with Purito on Mundo 12'.

5- Froome 13' Tour win is perfectly deserved, I've said that even in a bad team or without Porte, he still would've crushed everyone (At least on Ax 3 and Ventoux).

It's just a fact that he didn't experience an on-form Contador last year. People are just a bit frustrated that Contador had his worst form ever when Froome was in his prime.
But no credit taken away from him.

6. I've always taken into account AC's rivals form.

But objectively, he has a better base level, and base form. And he is able to hit good form much more consistently than all of his rivals (apart from Valverde of course).
And once again objectively:

On form AC > On form Nibali
" " > On form Quintana

AC's prime > Froome's Prime getting dropped in his only 1 GT win.

Other than that, just check their palmares.

 

[LaFlorecita]

There you are, we missed you

He missed us too it seems back so soon

and he's not wishing for us to die this time

 

[Kwibus]

He was a little unlucky in 2003 - true. He was sick in Alpe d' Huez where he lost a couple of minutes and that day there were 5-6 riders equally strong. His general level would have allowed him to come in with Armstrong.

But he showed up in mediocre form too often (2000...Hautacam and Courchevel...2004 after his great 2003 etc).

Had he repeated his '97 form in at least 50% of the years, he'd won multiple TdF. He would have beaten Lance both in the mountains and the TT's.

Alpe d' Huez 1997: Jan Ullrich 37:40
Alpe d' Huez 2001: Jan Ullrich 40:02
Alpe d'Huez 2001 : L. Armstrong 38:01

Truth is - apart from 2003 his overall level was clearly behind '96 - '98. That's only his own fault.

I know thís is not the clinic and I don't want to go there, but the fact that Ullrich never was as good as 1997 could as well have to do with the 50% rule?
He was an lazy *** with his problems in the off season I know, but....

 

[Donkey]

I know thís is not the clinic and I don't want to go there, but the fact that Ullrich never was as good as 1997 could as well have to do with the 50% rule?
He was an lazy *** with his problems in the off season I know, but....

Deffo, but the problem is I don't think JU would ever think of organizing things (doping mainly) the way LA did, 100+1 person would go crazy from that. LA wanted, LA had it, now he has it too

 

[Donkey]

That was not a tactical fail, he just wanted to get rid of him incase something goes wrong in time trial.

Well, I believe Alberto - when he said that he had talked to AK and asked if it was ok to attack, AK'd said yes and probably he'd though he would have stayed on Shlecks' wheels but it didn't happen.

But honestly - what is this about? It was not the smartest move from Bertie, but only because of one thing: if he had a mechanical AK would be useful. Othersie he didn't need him at all.
What always makes me laugh is that LA had full mouth of this incident and somehow forgot he caught AK later and then didn't help him when he was falling back. So AC incident: so bad for the team. LA incident - which team? I am the team

 

[Dr. Juice]

I know thís is not the clinic and I don't want to go there, but the fact that Ullrich never was as good as 1997 could as well have to do with the 50% rule?
He was an lazy *** with his problems in the off season I know, but....

1997 was the first year of the 50% rule. Had nothing to do with it.

 

[peloton]

Video from the Kilimanjaro climb

 

[LaFlorecita]

Video from the Kilimanjaro climb

Cool!

in before cineteq starts complaining about "toxic" posts again

 

[Beech Mtn]

Video from the Kilimanjaro climb

Thanks for posting that. The pix and vids make a nice change from all the endless debate sometimes

 

[86TDFWinner]

LOL! Contadopers Top tips to win the TDF, I bet there'll be NO mention of doping......:


http://www.bloomberg.com/video/cycl...france-e2DWF5IaRzWor3Iq4pYdgg.html?cmpid=yhoo

 

[infeXio]

Leave your ever so subtle insinuations in the clinic.

 

[LaFlorecita]

LOL! Contadopers Top tips to win the TDF, I bet there'll be NO mention of doping......:


http://www.bloomberg.com/video/cycl...france-e2DWF5IaRzWor3Iq4pYdgg.html?cmpid=yhoo

Is this the clinic?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Great read

http://thejerseypocket.cc/2014/11/19/dulwich-riders-bert-and-bjarne-go-back-to-school/

 

[Red Rick]

Wow, really cool catch.

 

[contador977]

He was a little unlucky in 2003 - true. He was sick in Alpe d' Huez where he lost a couple of minutes and that day there were 5-6 riders equally strong. His general level would have allowed him to come in with Armstrong.

But he showed up in mediocre form too often (2000...Hautacam and Courchevel...2004 after his great 2003 etc).

Had he repeated his '97 form in at least 50% of the years, he'd won multiple TdF. He would have beaten Lance both in the mountains and the TT's.

Alpe d' Huez 1997: Jan Ullrich 37:40
Alpe d' Huez 2001: Jan Ullrich 40:02
Alpe d'Huez 2001 : L. Armstrong 38:01

Truth is - apart from 2003 his overall level was clearly behind '96 - '98. That's only his own fault.

True but that is part of what made Ullrich interesting. He was human, he like to have a good time off the bike and during his peak Tour years, he was often far out of shape in the winter and Im not sure that helped him. To some degree u can ask yourself, what could have been with him. 98 Tour was his, a rider of his calibre, should never lose 9 minutes while in Yellow. I wanted Ullrich to win desparately the 2003 Tour. I remember reading a while ago about a ex rider, not sure who it was, that said Ullrich should have won the 2003 Tour and didnt think he attacked Armstrong enough. I loved that image of Ullrich dropping Armstrong on that one climb, I got goosebumps. Ullrich seemed to not go full gas?

 

[Electress]

Great read

http://thejerseypocket.cc/2014/11/19/dulwich-riders-bert-and-bjarne-go-back-to-school/

That is a nice article. And once again, AC comes across as rather admirable. I don't even care if it is all Tinkoff Saxo media PR coaching (though I really don't think it is) - in a world of zeleb. nonsense, how refreshing it is that AC doesn't come across as some egocentric narcissist.

 

[Jelantik]

well looks like Valverde and Quintana will go to tour and giro.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/new...lverde-to-join-forces-at-2015-tour-and-vuelta

Froome doesn't seem that he is going to Giro. Nibali is more likely skip giro. Purito seems keen to want to go to the tour. That should leave Contador with less opponent for the Giro.

Btw. does anyone know if TS has already started their training camp yet? other teams seems to have already started. All I heard so far from twitter Bjarne and Alberto are traveling for sponsor engagement.

 

[BlurryVII]

well looks like Valverde and Quintana will go to tour and giro.

You mean tour & vuelta?

Btw. does anyone know if TS has already started their training camp yet? other teams seems to have already started. All I heard so far from twitter Bjarne and Alberto are traveling for sponsor engagement.

Yep, and it starts to get worrying. All I'm hearing is Alberto traveling to all kind of places for a week and a half. And it looks like it's not over. And Bjarne doesn't seem to give a ****, he can't think of cancelling all these sponsors rdv.

Hope he won't be complaining next year " I can't inject form into him" , cuz he'll know where the problem comes from.

On top of that, the freaking new jersey is looking like 2013 one, so everything is shaping up to look like 2013 season, get prepared guys

*Pessimistic mode off*

 

[Electress]

You mean tour & vuelta?



Yep, and it starts to get worrying. All I'm hearing is Alberto traveling to all kind of places for a week and a half. And it looks like it's not over. And Bjarne doesn't seem to give a ****, he can't think of cancelling all these sponsors rdv.

Hope he won't be complaining next year " I can't inject form into him" , cuz he'll know where the problem comes from.

On top of that, the freaking new jersey is looking like 2013 one, so everything is shaping up to look like 2013 season, get prepared guys

*Pessimistic mode off*

Don't think a week will kill him. I'm sure AC realises exactly the difference in his training and attitude between 2013 build up and 2014 build up.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Don't think a week will kill him. I'm sure AC realises exactly the difference in his training and attitude between 2013 build up and 2014 build up.

Exactly, Alberto spent three days visiting sponsors, travelling to Zurich, London and Copenhagen. That's not too bad.

The team will have their training camp at the start of December. They must've pushed it back a couple weeks because they had the Kilimanjaro trip 2 weeks ago.

 

[LaFlorecita]

@stefelt: @sportful @tinkoff_saxo c'on 2015 kit shall be kept confidential unitl official presentation. #tinkoffsaxo has a nice surprise coming soon!!

Hmmm