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That is really cool. Thanks for the statistic!Miburo said:Btw one of Contador's most impressive records is that whenever he had the leader's jersey in a GT he never lost it. Which great rider can say that?
That is really cool. Thanks for the statistic!Miburo said:Btw one of Contador's most impressive records is that whenever he had the leader's jersey in a GT he never lost it. Which great rider can say that?
I found it!! It's "The Official Tour de France Centennial 1903-2003", published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson.Jspear said:That sounds like an interesting book. What is the name of it?
Cool. Thanks! Will look into it.Angliru said:I found it!! It's "The Official Tour de France Centennial 1903-2003", published by Weidenfeld & Nicolson.
It is a real treasure and worth it if you can find it. Lance Armstrong wrote the forward but Amazon has it incorrectly advertised as him being the author which he is not. The stories of each year's Tour are finely written by writers from that period detailing the more pivotal moments. Excellent photography throughout also.
I doubt he would get the necessary support at Lotto, far better to at least lead one GT with a stronger team than a preffered GT without a team.TANK91 said:Who knows mate he from Poland he may peak earlier. Majka would lead for around 3 WT teams. Remember he was not happy about doing the TDF in first place. You honestly think he would like to dom the TDF? Im sure he would rather lead for someone like Lotto and get his choice. It is same with Porte he will probably be gone if he has a bounce back year.
Miburo said:Btw one of Contador's most impressive records is that whenever he had the leader's jersey in a GT he never lost it. Which great rider can say that?
He said 'great rider'. I don't think a 'one and done' need apply! Think Hinault, et alRed Rick said:Juan Jose Cobo
Opening TTT in 2006. Lost it the next day.Red Rick said:I think Sastre held lead the Vuelta one time when CSC won the ttt IIRC
Hinault won the prologue in the 1984 Tour and lost the jersey the next day.Netserk said:Opening TTT in 2006. Lost it the next day.
Doubt it has happened to anyone else who have won 2 or more GTs.
My 2nd paragraph was about anyone never losing a leader's jersey in a GT (other than Contador) of those who have won more than one GT, but reading it now I can see why it wasn't interpreted that wayicefire said:Hinault won the prologue in the 1984 Tour and lost the jersey the next day.
Pantani hasn't lost it, neither in the 1998 Giro nor in the Tour. And in 1999 he hasn't lost it on the road. But like with others...it's easier to lose it when you have ridden at least 10 GT's and led more than 5. Impressive statistic by Alberto. Shows he is a man on a mission. If he has it, you'll never get it back (the jersey).Netserk said:Opening TTT in 2006. Lost it the next day.
Doubt it has happened to anyone else who have won 2 or more GTs.
He never won a prologue...Miburo said:Btw one of Contador's most impressive records is that whenever he had the leader's jersey in a GT he never lost it. Which great rider can say that?
Wutphanatic said:He never won a prologue...
never took the lead after an early TTT or ITT, never won an early stage. Maybe he peaks late for the GT, maybe he is calculating and cautious about it. I don't think that this is more impressive than loaning it out, like Lance did. In any case, Nibali losing the Vuelta lead in 2013 was far more impressive (and exciting) than Contador never having the Tour lead that year.
A confusing view. The Vuelta 2013 was more exciting than the Tour, ok of course when there is a real battle.phanatic said:He never won a prologue...
never took the lead after an early TTT or ITT, never won an early stage. Maybe he peaks late for the GT, maybe he is calculating and cautious about it. I don't think that this is more impressive than loaning it out, like Lance did. In any case, Nibali losing the Vuelta lead in 2013 was far more impressive (and exciting) than Contador never having the Tour lead that year.
Come on, it's hard to get around the fact that someone who has won 8 GTs on the road has never lost the jersey once he's got it. Okay, he had a pretty bad year in 2013, but he wasn't failing to get the jersey so as he wouldn't sully his record, he just wasn't up there then?I don't really get what your trying to say about Nibali and AC then with respect to this record other than AC wasn't great..No news there.phanatic said:He never won a prologue...
never took the lead after an early TTT or ITT, never won an early stage. Maybe he peaks late for the GT, maybe he is calculating and cautious about it. I don't think that this is more impressive than loaning it out, like Lance did. In any case, Nibali losing the Vuelta lead in 2013 was far more impressive (and exciting) than Contador never having the Tour lead that year.
He's also only had a supremely strong team in 2009 and of course even then he was compromised by conflict that existed with himself, Armstrong & Bruyneel. It was their (Johaan and Lance's) goal to put Lance in yellow early. Contador's other teams just weren't strong enough to protect the yellow jersey from early in the events, not that they purposely avoided getting it. It just wasn't advantageous to wear out the team early just for sake of having it when the strength was Contador's superiority over his rivals in the later mountainous stages. He wasn't going to beat the specialists in prologue nor in flat itt's.phanatic said:He never won a prologue...
never took the lead after an early TTT or ITT, never won an early stage. Maybe he peaks late for the GT, maybe he is calculating and cautious about it. I don't think that this is more impressive than loaning it out, like Lance did. In any case, Nibali losing the Vuelta lead in 2013 was far more impressive (and exciting) than Contador never having the Tour lead that year.
I didn't mean to flame the thread. I don't think his never having lost the jersey once he held it adds anything to his record other than evidence that he doesn't choke. Once he strikes it's final. In this aspect, it's impressive.LaFlorecita said:
At the 2011 Giro and 2014 Vuelta he took the jersey rather early, and he had a weak team in both, so it might have been smarter to let it go to someone from a break.phanatic said:I didn't mean to flame the thread. I don't think his never having lost the jersey once he held it adds anything to his record other than evidence that he doesn't choke. Once he strikes it's final. In this aspect, it's impressive.
But it's a record that cuts both ways. Part of the reason Contador never lost the jersey is because he never took it early in a race, and so never had it at a point that it was wise to let it go. At the same time he didn't win every GT he entered, which means he didn't lose it in those only because he was too far from contention to take it.
I think the record is remarkable, not so much in that it shows Bertie's superiority, but it shows what kind of competitor he is.
Edit: I didn't mean to single out LaFlorecita's reply, just wanted to clarify my thought if I could, and it seemed like a good reference point.
Yeah, don't think he really expected - and maybe wouldn't have wanted? - to have the red jersey in 2014 after the ITT. But Froome summed it up when he said that once AC has got time on you, it's really difficult to get it back.LaFlorecita said:At the 2011 Giro and 2014 Vuelta he took the jersey rather early, and he had a weak team in both, so it might have been smarter to let it go to someone from a break.
For Sky, not focusing on the Tour = Does not compute?LaFlorecita said:David Lopez: At Sky we don't believe Contador will ride il Giro
http://www.marca.com/2015/02/10/ciclismo/1423582303.html
Im not sure how accurate google translate is but Lopez accuses AC of saying one thing and doing another (in relation to him riding the Giro). Is he referring to his soft playing his form/objectives in various races?LaFlorecita said:David Lopez: At Sky we don't believe Contador will ride il Giro
http://www.marca.com/2015/02/10/ciclismo/1423582303.html
"It wouldn't be the first time Contador says one thing and does another."LaFlorecita said:David Lopez: At Sky we don't believe Contador will ride il Giro
http://www.marca.com/2015/02/10/ciclismo/1423582303.html