Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Ferminal]

When has Contador beaten Chris Froome in a GT (a proper Froome, that is)?

Cadel Evans sets himself the goal of winning the Tour every year, has achieved it once, does not mean the other 7 seasons have been failures or that he has failed in the Tour when he has not won it.

 

[uphillstruggle]

The route suits Contador this year and with the new additions to the Saxo team he shouldn't lose too much time in the TTT.

Froome is always liable to crack if he tries to follow the attacks of AC and AS. His best shot would be to ride tempo like last year but something tells me he will try to go toe-to-toe with the climbers.

 

[serfla]

When has Contador beaten Chris Froome in a GT (a proper Froome, that is)?

Cadel Evans sets himself the goal of winning the Tour every year, has achieved it once, does not mean the other 7 seasons have been failures or that he has failed in the Tour when he has not won it.

You're kidding me, right?
Maybe you should tell me what meaning in your dictionary have words "failure", "success", "to fail" and "to succeed".

You can try to achieve something, and you can either succeed or fail. That's how I understand it.

 

[Publicus]

When has Contador beaten Chris Froome in a GT (a proper Froome, that is)?

Cadel Evans sets himself the goal of winning the Tour every year, has achieved it once, does not mean the other 7 seasons have been failures or that he has failed in the Tour when he has not won it.

When has Chris Froome beaten Contador in a GT (a proper Contador, that is)?

All jokes aside, that's what makes this year so interesting. So many open questions that will be answered soon enough: (i) was Contador performance at the 2012 Vuelta a result of a lack of race fitness or does he just not have the top end that he once had, (ii) is Froome all hype and circumstance, or is he the real deal, (iii) will Andy be able to fully recover from his injury and return to his old form. I just hope all of the protagonist make it to the Tour healthy and without major injury. I want to see them ALL at their absolute best, so these questions can be asked AND answered.

 

[Ferminal]

You're kidding me, right?
Maybe you should tell me what meaning in your dictionary have words "failure", "success", "to fail" and "to succeed".

You can try to achieve something, and you can either succeed or fail. That's how I understand it.

In that case how do you have degrees of success or failure. If not achieving a goal is failure, it is impossible for anything to be a "serious" failure.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

This pointless internet discussion seems to focus on one person talking about failing at a task, and someone else interpreting that to mean the person themselves is therefore a failure, which I hope no one is trying to claim.

 

[serfla]

In that case how do you have degrees of success or failure. If not achieving a goal is failure, it is impossible for anything to be a "serious" failure.

Are you trolling?
You should treat "serious fail" like a figure of speech. Hyperbole.
Appropriate one, since Contador's season evolves around the Tour, so it would be a failure and it would be serious 'cause all his (and team's) resources are engaged in achieving the goal.

 

[Ferminal]

I apologise, the way I interpreted the figure of speech made me believe it was suggesting underachievement.

 

[serfla]

I apologise, the way I interpreted the figure of speech made me believe it was suggesting underachievement.

"To underachieve" should mean "to do less than one could do", if I'm right?
My use of "failure" is rather directed to "want (to do)" - intention, than to "could (do)" - possibility.
I think now it's clear what we both meant.

 

[Ferminal]

"To underachieve" should mean "to do less than one could do", if I'm right?
My use of "failure" is rather directed to "want (to do)" than to "could (do)".
I think now it's clear what we both meant.

Correct

Contador has beaten Froome every time they met, and they've never faced each other while they were both in great shape

Indeed, so there is an unknown. If we looked at Contador v Rodriguez prior to the Vuelta, I guess Purito would have been dismissed too easily given that Contador had always done the job on him in the past. But his best GT performance came in the 2012 Giro where Contador wasn't present.

 

[airstream]

It is quite funny how many people handle Froome like Wiggins-2, a fan of steady pace, though a bit stronger climber.

Fortunately, I was on vacation during the Tour and didn't have a proper internet. It is not difficult to imagine what was happening on the forums. Apparently, any arguments were used up to that the Tour level was lower than the Giro one.

I think every fan roots for results. It's part of the excitement. There are gonna be 198 riders starting on Corsica this year. Do you want to tell me that how the racing unfolds and who does well doesn't effect the pleasure watching the race for you at all? If so, why are you trying so hard to mock Contador

Mocking? How is it expressed? There is a difference between wishing rider to win and supporting him for his existing results. No, but I'll take any result calmly. No excuses, no apathy to the sport, no settlement in the clinic.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

There is essentially nothing of Froome on YouTube prior to the 2011 vuelta. Presumably because of his illness.

I did find one stage from the 2009 giro where he is climbing well for a period then blows. You can see that the potential is there though. He almost jumps on the peddles while seated

 

[LaFlorecita]

Mocking? How is it expressed? There is a difference between wishing rider to win and supporting him for his existing results. No, but I'll take any result calmly. No excuses, no apathy to the sport, no settlement in the clinic.

what about people who already supported Alberto before his tdf win in 2007? How do they fit into your theory "all fans of Alberto only support him because of his results"?

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

It's not results that lead me to support Alberto, more the spectacle that he puts on that others cannot.

Airstream, what makes you support Andy? A desire to be different?

 

[LaFlorecita]

It's not results that lead me to support Alberto, more the spectacle that he puts on that others cannot.

Airstream, what makes you support Andy? A desire to be different?

that's what he claims

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

what about people who already supported Alberto before his tdf win in 2007? How do they fit into your theory "all fans of Alberto only support him because of his results"?

Us Libery Seguros guys are allways forgotten

 

[airstream]

Airstream, what makes you support Andy? A desire to be different?

Yes, I don't like everything mass and ordinary, but it's not a main reason. Supporting the strongest rider is very easy, stuffy and simply often smells like gloryhunting. Rooting for an underdog is for a real hard-headed fan IMO

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes, I don't like everything mass and ordinary, but it's not a main reason. Supporting the strongest rider is very easy, stuffy and simply often smells like gloryhunting. Rooting for an underdog is for a real hard-headed fan IMO

Actually most people root for the underdog so it's not that difficult.

 

[Miburo]

what about people who already supported Alberto before his tdf win in 2007? How do they fit into your theory "all fans of Alberto only support him because of his results"?

I supported Contador since pcm'06, i saw in that game that he had a lot of potential.

From then on i start to become a fan of him, weird right?

When i heard from a friend that a spanish rider had won a stage in paris-nice '07 I directly knew it was Contador.

Obviously as a fan of Contador you've a pretty good time usually

 

[pedromartins]

Actually most people root for the underdog so it's not that difficult.

And contador is always the underdog.

Contador Vs UCI
Contador Vs Lance and everyone else
Contador Vs Discovery2 (rant)
Contador Vs unwritten laws of cycling.
Contador Vs millions of butthurt lance supporters, now shleck supporters.

Meanwhile, Alberto keeps winning, even when he loses. The secret? "Fun". Alberto, together with fabian and maybe Tom, are the only ones that can do it. Even when they lose, they win.

Only someone *** can't see that.

 

[LaFlorecita]

 

[Forunculo]

And contador is always the underdog.

Contador Vs UCI
Contador Vs Lance and everyone else
Contador Vs Discovery2 (rant)
Contador Vs unwritten laws of cycling.
Contador Vs millions of butthurt lance supporters, now shleck supporters.

Meanwhile, Alberto keeps winning, even when he loses. The secret? "Fun". Alberto, together with fabian and maybe Tom, are the only ones that can do it. Even when they lose, they win.

Only someone *** can't see that.

+1 100% agree

 

[Miburo]

When he's 5th in GC on the last mountain stage he's like lolz, I attack

that's because he's a real champion and he only cares about nr.1, that's it.

 

[airstream]

And contador is always the underdog.

Contador Vs UCI

It is very easy to dispute. UCI helped Contador hugely in 2006-07. Just monstrously. So unwritten laws always played for him. Don't underrate this.

 

[FFrenchcyclisme]

Photo

Is it possible to post our own photos ? ( in my documents )
I am trying to post a photo of Alberto i took in 2009 at the start of le dauphiné libéré but i can't