Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[xrayvision]

Read airstream's post.

I never read airs posts, waste of time!

 

[GJB123]

That Cobo was magical. Contador would have collided with huge difficulties, fighting against him. It is not correct to take Contador and his palmares on one side, Cobo in the Vuelta '11 on other one and say 'Cobo is nobody by and large'. Such a point is a huge in rider's name rather than in racing reality.

Following your logic Contador couldn't drop Rodriguez who failed to beat a miserable Hesjedal who has never been match for Contador.

It's different races, different stories with lots of circumstances. Polntless to compare them.

Trust you to focus on the least important part of my question. So have another go. How many minutes, seconds, any time at all did Froome put into Cobo with his "outerworldy blistering" attack at Pena Carbega? You are allowed a 25% deviation and you answer will still count as correct.

 

[airstream]

Trust you to focus on the least important part of my question. So have another go. How many minutes, seconds, any time at all did Froome put into Cobo with his "outerworldy blistering" attack at Pena Carbega? You are allowed a 25% deviation and you answer will still count as correct.

Pena Cabarga wasn't presented like a demonstration of diabolic strength. The guy told that it was impressive. Nothing more. Do you hint if one couldn't drop the 2011 Vuelta Cobo, it can't be called a fantastic perfomance or what?


Yes, it's difficult to talk to me for someone for who Contador is cycling. Though, seems like we could find a common language with Miburo.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

What an attack it was. He was out the pedals sprinting up 15% for 40 seconds. This is the sort of thing Alberto can now only sustain for max 20 secs

 

[airstream]

What an attack it was. He was out the pedals sprinting up 15% for 40 seconds. This is the sort of thing Alberto can now only sustain for max 20 secs

Anyway it boils down ability go faster than rivals after 20/40 sec, not to number of secondes.

 

[Jelantik]

Why do people keep leaving Romandie out?

If we look purely at palmares to determine who will win in July then Contador will obviously always win. But Froome didn't emerge until 2011. And things change. As it stands, this year, Froome has been the better and looks like more of a favorite for the win then Contador IMO. Not to say that Contador can't beat him (I think he still has a good chance of winning the Tour, despite his performance thus far this season), but looking only at past palmares to determine who will win isn't the most accurate way of logically predicting a winner.

I'm confused. you contradicted yourself. You said past palmares shouldn't be the measure for predicting winner. But yet you said, Froome is more favorite to win based on this year's performance (his feb, march, april = his past performance, and now he has palmares of winning Oman, Crit and Romandie). So past palmares isn't = to past performance? You achieve your palmares based on your performance on the race? No?

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Anyway it boils down ability go faster than rivals after 20/40 sec, not to number of secondes.

I agree but you must admit AC cannot hold an acceleration like he used to

 

[Miburo]

I agree but you must admit AC cannot hold an acceleration like he used to

Give him until the tour, if he fails there then start talking this.

Using the vuelta 2012 as a basis for your theory is ridiculous.

His season until now was bad but he was also sick and it seems all saxo guys are getting real good.

Wait until July. 2 months.

 

[Contadoraus Schlecks]

Give him until the tour, if he fails there then start talking this.

Using the vuelta 2012 as a basis for your theory is ridiculous.

His season until now was bad but he was also sick and it seems all saxo guys are getting real good.

Wait until July. 2 months.

I hope you are correct. If not the Tour could be very one sided i.e. the Chris Froome show

 

[airstream]

I agree but you must admit AC cannot hold an acceleration like he used to

Like in Verbier? Yes. Though, it's very difficult. Necessary to be much better than opponents on a separate day to do Verbier. Contador rather smashed opponents with persistency, hurricane of attacks.

Your conclusion just seems hasty to me, given he's had the only run at Prati Tivo this year. Dauphine is gonna answer many questions. I bet Contador and Froome want to test each other full blast. Contador will attack because it's Contador, Froome will attack because he wants to try how it is to attack Contador first.

 

[GJB123]

Anyway it boils down ability go faster than rivals after 20/40 sec, not to number of secondes.

I see you are starting to get the point. What is the use of going like crazy for 40 seconds only for your rivals to catch you up 300 meters up the road?

 

[GJB123]

Pena Cabarga wasn't presented like a demonstration of diabolic strength. The guy told that it was impressive. Nothing more. Do you hint if one couldn't drop the 2011 Vuelta Cobo, it can't be called a fantastic perfomance or what?

Actually he called it "pretty spectacular" and said it was the only time we witnessed "Froome going all out". Now I 'll agree that the initial attack looked somewhat spectacular although it wasn't explosive enough to distance Cobo immediately. But the overall result of the attack was less than impressive gaining him absolutely nothing on Cobo. If that is Froome going all out people should watch some other video's (not only of Contador) to see and understand what is really impressive. All imho naturally.

Yes, it's difficult to talk to me for someone for who Contador is cycling. Though, seems like we could find a common language with Miburo.

Is this referring to me? If it is you are totally clueless. Then again, that would be no surprise.

 

[Publicus]

2013 Giro is the first grand tour in years where everybody hasn't harped on about how Contador would have smashed it if he was riding. He no longer has that invincible air about him.

Maybe no one has harped on it, but I've certainly thought it quite a few times.

 

[Afrank]

I'm confused. you contradicted yourself. You said past palmares shouldn't be the measure for predicting winner. But yet you said, Froome is more favorite to win based on this year's performance (his feb, march, april = his past performance, and now he has palmares of winning Oman, Crit and Romandie). So past palmares isn't = to past performance? You achieve your palmares based on your performance on the race? No?

Relying on only past results from years back (2007, 08, 09, etc.) isn't the best way to predict a winner.

Now, past results (no matter how many years back they were) should be taken into some account as they do tell us what a rider is capable of. But the more recent the results you look at the better, as the most recent results are most indicative of where a rider stands.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Alberto Contador‏@albertocontador16m
Hoy entrenamiento duro y muy frio!Today training hard and very cold!

Alberto is the master of google translate

Edit: Damn I'm not capable of copying pic urls on this stupid laptop

 

[xrayvision]

Alberto Contador‏@albertocontador16m
Hoy entrenamiento duro y muy frio!Today training hard and very cold!

Alberto is the master of google translate

Edit: Damn I'm not capable of copying pic urls on this stupid laptop

Here you go, didnt he train with Jesus, Roman, CAS and Roche?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes, Roman, Nico, jesus and CAS.

I hope he won't get ill again because of the stupid weather

 

[Afrank]

Here you go, didnt he train with Jesus, Roman, CAS and Roche?

LOL! While the guys of the Giro are relaxing due to snow and cold weather outside, he's riding in it.
I know, not as much snow and cold as at the Giro.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Who will acompany AC to Dauphine this year? Roman to go to tour de suisse?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Who will acompany AC to Dauphine this year? Roman to go to tour de suisse?

Timmy Duggan
Mickey Rogey
Nicki
CAS
Noval (Noooo..!)
Sergio
and ofc Jesus

I hope they just put Noval in the team so Alberto won't cry when he doesn't get included in TDF team.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Very cool vid about team chef Hannah Grant

http://www.saxobank.com/cycling/

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Very cool vid about team chef Hannah Grant

http://www.saxobank.com/cycling/

Hannah is awesome.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hannah is awesome.

Yea, Hannah is really cool her enthusiasm is great

And apparently she makes delicious brownies All the riders want are brownies apparently

 

[airstream]

I'm confused. you contradicted yourself. You said past palmares shouldn't be the measure for predicting winner. But yet you said, Froome is more favorite to win based on this year's performance (his feb, march, april = his past performance, and now he has palmares of winning Oman, Crit and Romandie). So past palmares isn't = to past performance? You achieve your palmares based on your performance on the race? No?

The last perfomances just have a bigger weight in any estimations.

 

[Cimber]

Timmy Duggan
Mickey Rogey
Nicki
CAS
Noval (Noooo..!)
Sergio
and ofc Jesus

I hope they just put Noval in the team so Alberto won't cry when he doesn't get included in TDF team.

According to a Danish newspaper it seems 5 guys are fighting for the last 2 spots: Mørkøv, Noval, Paulinho, Tosatto and Benatti.

The 7 who seem to have cashed in their tickets are: Bertie, Jesus, Nicki, Roche, Rogers, Kreuziger, and CAS