Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[nick101]

How do you figure that out?? Another crystal ball specialist!!

It doesn't start till Saturday. He'll be ready, whether it's ready enough we'll see over the next few weeks

What i'm saying applies if contador doesn't have good form, i never actually said whether or not he will be fit or unfit. Tbh i have no clue what form contador will be in come the tour, but just as you said i suspect we may not find out til ventoux or the alps (not on ax3/the pyrenees)

But if he is in the form that everyone says he will be in (i.e bad form) then what i'm saying will be relevent. If contador is in good form, he will likely put out similar power to verbier, etna etc. If that happens, there is no way froome could replicate similar power comparing data when they're both "peaking" (froome's 6.4w/kg vs contador's 6.9w/kg; both "on form") given froome's current form is unlikely to improve by much either

 

[LaFlorecita]

I note the same bickering going on for pages and pages. Too lazy to scroll though... anyone have any info on the Spanish champs?

Did Contador ride? I know he didn't podium either RR or TT but that's it...

No he did not ride.

 

[Jelantik]

I don't think the tour will be a true representation of contador vs froome. Contador doesn't have form as far as we all know, whereas froome does. Everybody agrees that the 2012 Vuelta wasn't a true representation of contador vs froome or froomes abilites right?? Same situation here, except contador is in the same position as froome was at the vuelta. No one says contador was better than froome because he won when froome was unfit, so why say that about froome winning the tour?? doesn't make sense to me and stinks of a blind hatred of all things contador. For me that's like comparing two cars who have equal power etc but then supplying one with low quality petrol and one with high quality petrol, then declaring the one with better petrol the best when both actually are equal. That doesn't actually make either car better, it makes a biased criteria. Same situation here. When both are on form then it'll be a true battle of their actual abilities - not when one is unfit and one is fit. Whether that will happen is unlikely at this stage for me.

We can't say the up coming tour isn't a true representation of contador vs froome. In le tour, all bets are off. Everyone gets the same chance to prepare and their form will be judged, whether you are ready or not. Vuelta we get excuse, contador with ban, froome with tdf leg. But no excuse for this year tour. The fact that froome is better all year long, hats off to him. Maybe he prepped himself better. And the fact contador is off, is his problem. Come tour, 'no excuse' of who's superior all season and who's not. This is it. Everyone got 6 months to prep. You either ready or you don't. So may the smartest man wins.

 

[LaFlorecita]

What is funny imo, is that of the last 116 (last 3 pages) posts,

72 were airstream and taxus posts or posters arguing with airstream and taxus

I say

STOP

shall we?

 

[xrayvision]

What is funny imo, is that of the last 116 (last 3 pages) posts,

72 were airstream and taxus posts or posters arguing with airstream and taxus

I say

STOP

shall we?

Then STOP quoting them, the ignore is active. Its what we all should do, at least in this thread. To much trolling and baiting.

 

[velascoabuela]

Thank you!

 

[Publicus]

I don't think the tour will be a true representation of contador vs froome. Contador doesn't have form as far as we all know, whereas froome does. Everybody agrees that the 2012 Vuelta wasn't a true representation of contador vs froome or froomes abilites right?? Same situation here, except contador is in the same position as froome was at the vuelta. No one says contador was better than froome because he won when froome was unfit, so why say that about froome winning the tour?? doesn't make sense to me and stinks of a blind hatred of all things contador. For me that's like comparing two cars who have equal power etc but then supplying one with low quality petrol and one with high quality petrol, then declaring the one with better petrol the best when both actually are equal. That doesn't actually make either car better, it makes a biased criteria. Same situation here. When both are on form then it'll be a true battle of their actual abilities - not when one is unfit and one is fit. Whether that will happen is unlikely at this stage for me.

According to Contador he will be at his usual TdF level of the past (or possibly better).Let's wait another few days before we declare he was bluffing.

 

[movingtarget]

What is funny imo, is that of the last 116 (last 3 pages) posts,

72 were airstream and taxus posts or posters arguing with airstream and taxus

I say

STOP

shall we?

If it upsets you so much, stop reading the responses and stop responding. They are not breaking any rules. I will be happy for the race to start so all of the guesswork will be done with and actual performances can be discussed.

 

[LaFlorecita]

If it upsets you so much, stop reading the responses and stop responding. They are not breaking any rules. I will be happy for the race to start so all of the guesswork will be done with and actual performances can be discussed.

It doesn't upset me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Then STOP quoting them, the ignore is active. Its what we all should do, at least in this thread. To much trolling and baiting.

Agreed

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[Taxus4a]

I don't think the tour will be a true representation of contador vs froome. Contador doesn't have form as far as we all know, .

Why?? I think he is in form.

You can say that, but any proven excuse for that, or any proof he is not in form, he has had all the year since september to get ready for this Tour, as other years, and his graphic of results and perfomance along the season has a similar shape to previous years, but a little more down

Of course that if he get the "form" of Verbier he will win the Tour, no doubt.

But following that little more down graphic of perfomance Contador should be out of podium this year, or even out of top 5, it depend the luck of him and rivals into the race.

 

[nick101]

Why?? I think he is in form.

You can say that, but any proven excuse for that, or any proof he is not in form, he has had all the year since september to get ready for this Tour, as other years, and his graphic of results and perfomance along the season has a similar shape to previous years, but a little more down

Of course that if he get the "form" of Verbier he will win the Tour, no doubt.

But following that little more down graphic of perfomance Contador should be out of podium this year, or even out of top 5, it depend the luck of him and rivals into the race.

Finally a Froome fan actually admits contadors maximum abilities are better than froomes!!! There is hope . I agree with most of that except, even his current form would be good enough to make podium (not second tho), if he were to improve his tt'ing (which is most likely after having the worst performance of his career, even if his climbing doesn't improve)

 

[Taxus4a]

Finally a Froome fan actually admits contadors maximum abilities are better than froomes!!! There is hope . I agree with most of that except, even his current form would be good enough to make podium (not second tho), if he were to improve his tt'ing (which is most likely after having the worst performance of his career, even if his climbing doesn't improve)

STOP trolling, I am not Froome fan. I am fan of Urán, I like a lot of riders, Froome as well, but not specially.

I dont think maximun abililities of Contador are better than Froome`s, I cant explain that in this part of the forum. But do you think "maximun abilities" of Contador could do the same than Amstrong in Hautacam?

I consider Contador better climber than Lance and much better in recovery, so if you are enough clever, you know what I mean and we could discuss it in other part.

 

[LaFlorecita]

STOP trolling, I am not Froome fan. I am fan of Urán, I like a lot of riders, Froome as well, but not specially.

I dont think maximun abililities of Contador are better than Froome`s, I cant explain that in this part of the forum. But do you think "maximun abilities" of Contador could do the same than Amstrong in Hautacam?

I consider Contador better climber than Lance and much better in recovery, so if you are enough clever, you know what I mean and we could discuss it in other part.

Stop it. Not allowed in this part of the forum. Not even hints.

 

[movingtarget]

STOP trolling, I am not Froome fan. I am fan of Urán, I like a lot of riders, Froome as well, but not specially.

I dont think maximun abililities of Contador are better than Froome`s, I cant explain that in this part of the forum. But do you think "maximun abilities" of Contador could do the same than Amstrong in Hautacam?

I consider Contador better climber than Lance and much better in recovery, so if you are enough clever, you know what I mean and we could discuss it in other part.

Froome is the unknown. Last year he was kept on a leash. Now he gets his chance. Contador's abilities are well known for a long time. We will see if Froome lives up to expectations and if he does, how well his rivals cope with it.

 

[Taxus4a]

Stop it. Not allowed in this part of the forum. Not even hints.

Ok, so I dont answer to this affirmation , so it is as If I would say: Yes, I agree...

admits contadors maximum abilities are better than froomes

That wanst a question

Anyway I didnt say anything, and if he edit that, I edit as well.

 

[airstream]

Froome is the unknown. Last year he was kept on a leash. Now he gets his chance. Contador's abilities are well known for a long time. We will see if Froome lives up to expectations and if he does, how well his rivals cope with it.

Yes, Froome is unknown figure in a way. But positive surprises are far more probable than negative one in his case.

Your arrogance knows no bounds Airstream. Now you are rewriting our language for us.....Incredible!

I said it right. to top-3 - verb, to podium - verb too, it's not lliterary forms, but they are ok for the forum. I used 'lout' this way.

 

[Cimber]

Contador: "I was at 75% in Dauphine"

Lots of catching up to do

http://m.feltet.dk/nyheder/selvsikker_contador_touren_passer_mig_i_aar/

 

[Taxus4a]

Contador: "I was at 75% in Dauphine"

Lots of catching up to do

http://m.feltet.dk/nyheder/selvsikker_contador_touren_passer_mig_i_aar/

It is hard to believe a man that lies so many times... but I believe that, he used to be at 75% in Dauphiné (as much 80 %).

But with that and without giving it all, he managed to be on the podium several times.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It is hard to believe a man that lies so many times... but I believe that, he used to be at 75% in Dauphiné (as much 80 %).

But with that and without giving it all, he managed to be on the podium several times.

 

[Afrank]

What is funny imo, is that of the last 116 (last 3 pages) posts,

72 were airstream and taxus posts or posters arguing with airstream and taxus

I say

STOP

shall we?

When I read this post, it reads as this.
"Stop all this discussion! Your questioning Alberto and raising the points that Froome is better or could be better and I don't like it!" It's a public discussion forum Flo, maybe you should be the one that stops telling people not to post their thoughts and opinions.

And +1 to this

If it upsets you so much, stop reading the responses and stop responding. They are not breaking any rules. I will be happy for the race to start so all of the guesswork will be done with and actual performances can be discussed.

 

[LaFlorecita]

When I read this post, it reads as this.
"Stop all this discussion! Your questioning Alberto and raising the points that Froome is better or could be better and I don't like it!" It's a public discussion forum Flo, maybe you should be the one that stops telling people not to post their thoughts and opinions.

And +1 to this

So you think it's good to have a thread completely polluted by trolls and fights? And the reason I posted that is because someone tweeted me asking wtf was going on in this thread. Anyway, again this is off topic and again this is a BS post, can't we just discuss Alberto instead of endless fights "I hate Alberto" "I hate you because you hate Alberto" "I hate Alberto because you love Alberto" "I love Alberto because you hate Alberto" Seriously what the **** is the point?! Is this where it has come to??? That I, of all people, have to gets this thread back on track?? Jesus christ we're like a bunch of kids arguing in primary school. WTF. People have been asking for days now, to stop the arguing. Don't agree with airstream and taxus, fine, just ignore them. Because whenever someone disagrees with them, they'll have to disagree with the people who disagreed. It's a ****ing vicious circle. And we have posters who are trolling, trolls who are posting, posters who are posting and trolls who are trolling, we have trolls on both sides of the argument and I can't keep track of any discussion anymore. And where are the mods?? No the mods are just as busy polluting the thread (seriously Netserk, what's the point in having an endless argument with airstream, you know he's never going to change his mind). And we have loads of posters asking to stop quoting certain posters, we have posters insulting other posters, posters calling other posters trolls and in the end everyone ends up upset and no one's happy, except for trolls who are no doubt participating in the discussion, because they got what they want, namely, one big ****ed up mess.

 

[richwagmn]

Contador: "I was at 75% in Dauphine"

Lots of catching up to do

http://m.feltet.dk/nyheder/selvsikker_contador_touren_passer_mig_i_aar/

Excuses.

Contador's just not the same (for whatever reason). He used to ride away and now, he kicks for a bit and others get back to his wheel (and in the case of Purito and Froome) ride past him.

I can't think of a recent race where he's been able to do what he did in the past. He won on tactics in the Vuelta (not that there's anything wrong with that) not because he could drop other climbers at will.

His only hope is that Froome messes up badly and he's there to take advantage of it. The TDF is clearly Froome's to lose.

 

[Afrank]

So you think it's good to have a thread completely polluted by trolls and fights? And the reason I posted that is because someone tweeted me asking wtf was going on in this thread. Anyway, again this is off topic and again this is a BS post, can't we just discuss Alberto instead of endless fights "I hate Alberto" "I hate you because you hate Alberto" "I hate Alberto because you love Alberto" "I love Alberto because you hate Alberto" Seriously what the **** is the point?! Is this where it has come to??? That I, of all people, have to gets this thread back on track?? Jesus christ we're like a bunch of kids arguing in primary school. WTF. People have been asking for days now, to stop the arguing. Don't agree with airstream and taxus, fine, just ignore them. Because whenever someone disagrees with them, they'll have to disagree with the people who disagreed. It's a ****ing vicious circle. And we have posters who are trolling, trolls who are posting, posters who are posting and trolls who are trolling, we have trolls on both sides of the argument and I can't keep track of any discussion anymore. And where are the mods?? No the mods are just as busy polluting the thread (seriously Netserk, what's the point in having an endless argument with airstream, you know he's never going to change his mind). And we have loads of posters asking to stop quoting certain posters, we have posters insulting other posters, posters calling other posters trolls and in the end everyone ends up upset and no one's happy, except for trolls who are no doubt participating in the discussion, because they got what they want, namely, one big ****ed up mess.

The thread hasn't been polluted by trolls and fights, what's been happening in it is just discussion on Contador and Froomes chances at the Tour and comparisons between them. I don't see anything wrong with that. What I do see something wrong with is people like you trying to make other posters stop posting and hurling trolling insults and accusations around all over the thread simply because, as far as I can guess, you don't like their opinions on Contador or that their posting them. IMHO, that is the thing that is polluting the thread.

 

[airstream]

Florecita, if Froome wins the Tour and some 10-15 year old Froome fan will say to you 'get out of here with your fricking trolling and baiting', it would be normal. Be ready...