Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Angliru]

No question about the fact that Contador lied to all of us in the tour this year.

Denying that is ridiculous, he lied to his fans, gave us false hope. That's the only reason why i even believed he could win the tour, cause he said he could.

He was gonna be better than in the vuelta, yea right

It was painful to see him ride the tour this year.

There has been many a time when riders have thought that they had particular high level of form to achieve their objectives and something in their preparation just didn't work out. Contador isn't the first. You and Hitch's insistence that you were "lied to" as if you have some investment (other than emotional) in Contador's performances is quite bizarre. I've stated this before: A rider that has had a string of stellar performances over the past 5-6 years in the grand tours is entitled to have one that just doesn't work out as they planned. Look at all of this generation's grand tour contenders and champions and see if any has a record of success that compares to Contador's. Then look to see how often they've gone into a grand tour with lofty ambitions only to disappoint. Disappoint is the key word here. You guys are disappointed but to accuse a rider of lying is just juvenile and silly.

 

[Angliru]

Either you are trolling or you have poor comprehension skills. Contador is being attacked for lying, not because some imagined greatness you saw in him has disapeared or whatever.

The difference between me and you is I hold everyone to the same standards. You hold succesful cyclists or at least the ones you like, up on a pedestal. If a rider you didn't like behaved that way, you would attack them yet for Contador it's ok because he is great or whatever.

Me I treat those 2 impostors just the same.

Yep, you're cut from a finer grade of cloth than the rest of us.
Like I said before you've gone from being in love with a rider and hyping him as "The Great One" to tossing him under the bus when he disappoints you. You're a fairweather fan plain and simple.

 

[LaFlorecita]

actually I was his biggest fan on here throughout his ban. A ban where he lost a tdf the opportunity to win 1 seems to.me a lot tougher than simply not winning one.




No they don't. Actually carols was the one that attacked me and not me picking on poor innocent Contador fans. Get your facts straight.

no you don't. You don't like the truth and don't have the balls to face it so you choose to blame the messenger by throwing some untrue title on me.

I stood by Contador through his ban? Was that fair weather now? Really?. No it wasn't it was a dark year long winter storm.

I stood through that, a lot taller than you who kept whining and crying everytome it appeared Contador would not win a race, threatening to stop supporting Contador.

I stood by Contador through the darkest days of his career, as did mbiuro, and because of that you have no right to call us fair weather fans.

if only you had taken this advice at some point in the last 2 years, you may have been in a position right now to tell others where they can and cannot whine.

I stood by him. And unlike you, I didn't throw him out the window like a piece of trash when he stopped performing. I was sad, but I didn't stop supporting him, unlike you. And unlike you, I don't deny my flaws. Fairweather fan proof right here in this very thread just a couple of posts ago.

"Contador is being attacked for lying, not because some imagined greatness you saw in him has disapeared or whatever"

Imagined greatness. Coming from the guy who came up with the nickname "The Great One". Nice.

Every single post you make about Contador contains a certain amount of hatred towards him and it disgusts me that this is coming from someone who used to be a fan of his. It makes me wonder what he did to you. It must be something very bad.

 

[JimPanzen]

There has been many a time when riders have thought that they had particular high level of form to achieve their objectives and something in their preparation just didn't work out. Contador isn't the first. You and Hitch's insistence that you were "lied to" as if you have some investment (other than emotional) in Contador's performances is quite bizarre. I've stated this before: A rider that has had a string of stellar performances over the past 5-6 years in the grand tours is entitled to have one that just doesn't work out as they planned. Look at all of this generation's grand tour contenders and champions and see if any has a record of success that compares to Contador's. Then look to see how often they've gone into a grand tour with lofty ambitions only to disappoint. Disappoint is the key word here. You guys are disappointed but to accuse a rider of lying is just juvenile and silly.

That's exactly what I don't get. That would mean every athlete who talks about his ambitions for an event and then fails to achieve it is lying? Also tactically...say Contador would have said something like "I don't have it...we go for Roman" mid-race. That kind of openess would have killed many tactical options. And what kind of message would that have been towards the team?

I understand that many Contador supporters are disappointed by the outcome of this years TdF, but this amount of hurt feelings is a little bit too much imo.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yep, you're cut from a finer grade of cloth than the rest of us.
Like I said before you've gone from being in love with a rider and hyping him as "The Great One" to tossing him under the bus when he disappoints you. You're a fairweather fan plain and simple.

Agreed. You put it way better than I did I personally liked this quote "Contador is being attacked for lying, not because some imagined greatness you saw in him has disapeared or whatever"

I also liked it when Hitch told me I cannot call Contador the Great One anymore.

 

[Angliru]

That's exactly what I don't get. That would mean every athlete who talks about his ambitions for an event and then fails to achieve it is lying? Also tactically...say Contador would have said something like "I don't have it...we go for Roman" mid-race. That kind of openess would have killed many tactical options. And what kind of message would that have been towards the team?

I understand that many Contador supporters are disappointed by the outcome of this years TdF, but this amount of hurt feelings is a little bit too much imo.

It's pretty easy to figure out regardless of how the two of them try to paint it. HItch insists he was Contador's biggest fan and supporter on this forum and now he's seen the light. A rider goes from winning the Vuelta in dramatic fashion unlike any rider of his generation has done in a grand tour to essentially being called a liar. These two scenario's just do not go together.

I'm also inclined to think that maybe they lost a bit of cash betting on a Contador win, lost it and now hold a grudge. He shouldn't be blamed for their emotional instability and foolishness but then we're not talking about rational thinking here.

 

[Carols]

Either you are trolling or you have poor comprehension skills. Contador is being attacked for lying, not because some imagined greatness you saw in him has disapeared or whatever.

The difference between me and you is I hold everyone to the same standards. You hold succesful cyclists or at least the ones you like, up on a pedestal. If a rider you didn't like behaved that way, you would attack them yet for Contador it's ok because he is great or whatever.

Me I treat those 2 impostors just the same.

Hitch you are better than that.....truly disappointed

I will not defend myself, let's just say in 45+ years of following the sport I have seen it all, the good, the bad and the ugly. Contador has been one of the best I've ever seen and that is just plain fact, not bias.

 

[airstream]

It's not than simple so let's not cheat themselves saying it was all about legs. Contador could EASILY make a suicide move and bury himself at Madeleine for example. He was good enough to do a desperate attack say like Pantani in the 2000 Tour and justify his all-or-nothing approach. But he decided not to do it and in my view he betrayed his attitude which was proclaimed many many times.

 

[Netserk]

It's not than simple so let's not cheat themselves saying it was all about legs. Contador could EASILY make a suicide move and bury himself at Madeleine for example. He was good enough to do a desperate attack say like Pantani in the 2000 Tour and justify his all-or-nothing approach. But he decided not to do it and in my view he betrayed his attitude which was proclaimed many many times.

Has it ever occurred to you that he may have been told not to make a suicide move?

 

[LaFlorecita]

It's not than simple so let's not cheat themselves saying it was all about legs. Contador could EASILY make a suicide move and bury himself at Madeleine for example. He was good enough to do a desperate attack say like Pantani in the 2000 Tour and justify his all-or-nothing approach. But he decided not to do it.

Wrong. He was in trouble hanging on even. Of course he could've completely killed himself but he decided to be smart and race for podium and team classification.

 

[oldcrank]

Has it ever occurred to you that he may have been told not to make a suicide move?

"...we are going to attack everywhere, whether it is
uphill or downhill" was the quote in CN from Mr. Riis
that stirred the emotions and raised the hopes of so
many, but they turned out to be empty words and an
empty promise. Nothing but so much hot air, in fact.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Hopefully he will get back to somewhat his old self (Vuelta 12 level atleast), so he can give some challenge for Nibali in the next years tour. I don't want it to be a complete walkover for my italian either

 

[The Hitch]

I stood by him. And unlike you, I didn't throw him out the window like a piece of trash when he stopped performing.

To paraphrase from perhaps the best known wrestling phrase, The Hitch didn't screw Contador. Contador screwed Contador.

But going by your analogy (though I dont understand how pointing out that someone is behaving badly is quite - throwing them out of the window like a piece of trash), you threw Andy Schleck out of the window like a piece of trash, many times before. And you have done so with Froome.

Why is it ok for you to do so with other riders but not for others to do so with Contador?

Anyway, its hillarious to see people who would never give a fig about Contador had he not won the 2007 and 2009 Tours, using terms such as "fairweather fan" to describe others.

 

[Miburo]

He didn't because he didn't have the legs. That is pretty obvious from Roche's words. He wanted to but couldn't.

But he was gonna be way better in the 3th week, the week he peaked for and nothing happened.

A guy with the experience of Contador should know what the hell he's talking about. So either he had no clue of his shape which is rather unbelievable or he lied.

What do you pick?

I'm still a fan of him but for me it's obvious what happened.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

He will ride Milano Torino and Lombardia, no Emilia

So no worlds? maybe you should start using froome/wiggins bradley avatar.

 

[LaFlorecita]

To paraphrase from perhaps the best known wrestling phrase, The Hitch didn't screw Contador. Contador screwed Contador.

But going by your analogy (though I dont understand how pointing out that someone is behaving badly is quite - throwing them out of the window like a piece of trash), you threw Andy Schleck out of the window like a piece of trash, many times before. And you have done so with Froome.

Why is it ok for you to do so with other riders but not for others to do so with Contador?

Anyway, its hillarious to see people who would never give a fig about Contador had he not won the 2007 and 2009 Tours, using terms such as "fairweather fan" to describe others.

You tossed him under the bus/threw him away like a piece of trash, I obviously meant you once supported him and now that he's disappointed you you've turned your back on him. That is not what fans do.

You expect him to do whatever you want him to do. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Miburo]

There has been many a time when riders have thought that they had particular high level of form to achieve their objectives and something in their preparation just didn't work out. Contador isn't the first. You and Hitch's insistence that you were "lied to" as if you have some investment (other than emotional) in Contador's performances is quite bizarre. I've stated this before: A rider that has had a string of stellar performances over the past 5-6 years in the grand tours is entitled to have one that just doesn't work out as they planned. Look at all of this generation's grand tour contenders and champions and see if any has a record of success that compares to Contador's. Then look to see how often they've gone into a grand tour with lofty ambitions only to disappoint. Disappoint is the key word here. You guys are disappointed but to accuse a rider of lying is just juvenile and silly.:(

You won't believe me but i wasn't really that disappointed cause i think everyone kinda saw it coming. The only reason why i still believed in it was of the things Contador said.

"When i've good legs i'm afraid of no one" "I will be way better than in the vuelta" "My shape won't be less than in the previous tour" "I'll put everything on the 3th week".

With the current technology and the experience of Contador who btw used to be rather sceptical about his shape in previous GT's, do you really think he had no idea off his real shape?

Btw after a few days ago he said he already felt he didn't have the legs to do it, he mispeaked.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I became a disliker of him after during and after july 2007. just saying.

 

[Miburo]

So no worlds? maybe you should start using froome/wiggins bradley avatar.

Nah he'll ride the worlds if selected. Still have to wait a month

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

You tossed him under the bus/threw him away like a piece of trash, I obviously meant you once supported him and now that he's disappointed you you've turned your back on him. That is not what fans do.

You expect him to do whatever you want him to do. It doesn't work that way.

Airstream, LaFlo and me. The only REAL fans on cn forum

 

[LaFlorecita]

So no worlds? maybe you should start using froome/wiggins bradley avatar.

Worlds if he gets selected

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Airstream, LaFlo and me. The only REAL fans on cn forum

The first one, who is he a (real) fan of?

 

[JimPanzen]

It's not than simple so let's not cheat themselves saying it was all about legs. Contador could EASILY make a suicide move and bury himself at Madeleine for example. He was good enough to do a desperate attack say like Pantani in the 2000 Tour and justify his all-or-nothing approach. But he decided not to do it and in my view he betrayed his attitude which was proclaimed many many times.

Oh...now I get it. You think it was wrong of him not to throw away a good placing and the team GC for Saxo and not to stick to his often proclaimed all or nothing attitude. Well, as Netserk said...the team would have been super exciting to watch team GC go down the toilet for a Contador suicide firework

When you have the whole team working for you for 2 weeks, he must be a very self centered guy to throw that away just to stick to his reputation.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

The first one, who is he a (real) fan of?

oh you know... cycling in general. Airstream is a very underappreciated part of this forum.

And you are ofcourse also a real fan of Basso if I am not mistaken

 

[LaFlorecita]

I became a disliker of him after during and after july 2007. just saying.

Zam we know that you liked him in PN 2007?