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There are other ways of developing and showing unity if that's the goal... Agriculture, chorus...Netserk said:They were first and foremost about team work. One for all, and all for one. Communication. Not being macho, but able to express oneself to the others on the team honestly.
Ah... philosophy, values... Favorite narrative of PR personnel.Do you even know what philosophy and values Bjarne founded the team on?
Nice spin, but in wrong spirit.I'd love if you stayed around here a little longer, or came back again, so you'd be able to educate yourself
Netserk said:They were first and foremost about team work. One for all, and all for one. Communication. Not being macho, but able to express oneself to the others on the team honestly
baraba said:There are other ways of developing and showing unity if that's the goal... Agriculture, chorus...
Military discourse sends clear PR message.
jens_attacks said:i don't find those survival camps necessary at all. a team can work without them and saxo did fine without those things...very overrated
also bjarne's book which i read it all(600 pages!) was the most boring book i've read in my entire life and i won't recommend it to anyone to do it
one of the most atrocious things i've read in my entire life time:
Ivan Basso, our new Italian star, looked petrified as he stood at the top of the cliff preparing to jump down into the sea as part of our 36-hour survival camp. BS, who had organised the exercise, tried to calm him down. “Just trust us,” he told Basso. But the Italian was genuinely worried. “It’s just that I can’t swim,” he said. At first, we thought that maybe we’d misunderstood Ivan’s English, but no, he couldn’t swim. It took courage for our new captain to reveal one of his weaknesses. Despite the risk of losing face with his new team-mates, who he barely knew, he admitted that he’d never learnt to swim and that he was terrified of water. And then he jumped. At that point, I could tell that we’d found ourselves a true star and a real leader. He was clearly a man who dared to be who he was, who was honest, and who wanted to communicate in order for the team to function properly.
one of his weaknesses ???are you fuccin kiddin me? he wants to win tour day fuccin france not swim with phelps and thorpe! even walsh's papillot jaune and jesus-barabas was better than this shiit
still can't believe i've read that whole thing.
baraba said:A team building conceptualized around military discourse sends a clear PR message. No matter how protagonists behave.
And that's the problem with the latest PR approach - we have well known, already established, characters, built through the years and situations, who should now play something they've never played and, even worse, never were.
As if you'd to put Marlon Brando in a Peter Sellers' movie. It simply doesn't fit.
sittingbison said:Sorry gentle(wo)men,
I should have banninated serflas sockpuppet before I went to bed
Cheers
Bison
jens_attacks said:i don't find those survival camps necessary at all. a team can work without them and saxo did fine without those things...very overrated
also bjarne's book which i read it all(600 pages!) was the most boring book i've read in my entire life and i won't recommend it to anyone to do it
one of the most atrocious things i've read in my entire life time:
Ivan Basso, our new Italian star, looked petrified as he stood at the top of the cliff preparing to jump down into the sea as part of our 36-hour survival camp. BS, who had organised the exercise, tried to calm him down. “Just trust us,” he told Basso. But the Italian was genuinely worried. “It’s just that I can’t swim,” he said. At first, we thought that maybe we’d misunderstood Ivan’s English, but no, he couldn’t swim. It took courage for our new captain to reveal one of his weaknesses. Despite the risk of losing face with his new team-mates, who he barely knew, he admitted that he’d never learnt to swim and that he was terrified of water. And then he jumped. At that point, I could tell that we’d found ourselves a true star and a real leader. He was clearly a man who dared to be who he was, who was honest, and who wanted to communicate in order for the team to function properly.
one of his weaknesses ???are you fuccin kiddin me? he wants to win tour day fuccin france not swim with phelps and thorpe! even walsh's papillot jaune and jesus-barabas was better than this shiit
still can't believe i've read that whole thing.
What about the others?sittingbison said:Sorry gentle(wo)men,
I should have banninated serflas sockpuppet before I went to bed
Cheers
Bison
jens_attacks said:i don't find those survival camps necessary at all. a team can work without them and saxo did fine without those things...very overrated
also bjarne's book which i read it all(600 pages!) was the most boring book i've read in my entire life and i won't recommend it to anyone to do it
one of the most atrocious things i've read in my entire life time:
Ivan Basso, our new Italian star, looked petrified as he stood at the top of the cliff preparing to jump down into the sea as part of our 36-hour survival camp. BS, who had organised the exercise, tried to calm him down. “Just trust us,” he told Basso. But the Italian was genuinely worried. “It’s just that I can’t swim,” he said. At first, we thought that maybe we’d misunderstood Ivan’s English, but no, he couldn’t swim. It took courage for our new captain to reveal one of his weaknesses. Despite the risk of losing face with his new team-mates, who he barely knew, he admitted that he’d never learnt to swim and that he was terrified of water. And then he jumped. At that point, I could tell that we’d found ourselves a true star and a real leader. He was clearly a man who dared to be who he was, who was honest, and who wanted to communicate in order for the team to function properly.
one of his weaknesses ???are you fuccin kiddin me? he wants to win tour day fuccin france not swim with phelps and thorpe! even walsh's papillot jaune and jesus-barabas was better than this shiit
still can't believe i've read that whole thing.
I don't care if he's as fat as Betancur, as long as he can ride like a motorbikejens_attacks said:any new pics with alberto by the way? is he slim?
Netserk said:I don't care if he's as fat as Betancur, as long as he can ride like a motorbike
jens_attacks said:any new pics with alberto by the way? is he slim?
LaFlorecita said:Nope haven't seen pics in a while
LaFlorecita said:Tut tut
In that first pic he's wearing a long-sleeved jersey with a rather loose fit, and in that pic he's leading the 2008 Vuelta it says so on the jersey
18-Valve. (pithy) said:Ah. Yes. ****. Maybe it's not so bad then.
He used to win stage races when other (lesser) riders were in better shape, though. I suppose it will be a very good sign if he can beat either Costa or Kwiatkowski. But I don't see anyone else on the start list that he shouldn't be able to beat, if his form is only "good". This race should suit him really well. I don't think the same can be said for Martin.
Vino attacks everyone said:Is it me or does it look like he has lost some muscle mass in his legs over the years?