Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

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LaFlorecita

LaFlorecita

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riodouro said:
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I'd be so happy if he could win a stage tomorrow or on the alpe.

Many people write Contador off as a rider, they did it too in 2013. I can't wait for 2016, imo he still needs to win a tour to prove to everyone how good he really is. We can only speculate how good he was in the tour of 2014. He'll be 33 which is still easily possible to be at your best. Every body is different of course.
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It would be great, i can only hope, but i dont see it happening, yesterday looked like sky were going to let him go, but it was against Movistar interests.

Yesterday Sean Kelly said something like this, at the time of Contador's attack:
"in good shape, in bad shape, never fails to attack, never fails to try" .
That is what Contador is all about, i dont see what some people need more from him.
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I don't need more from him. But a stage win would be brilliant and thoroughly deserved :)
 
Broccolidwarf

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buchanan said:
Angliru said:
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It's one thing to take risks and it works out. But too often of late Alberto's descending has let him down or caused him to crash. He may well have won last year's Tour had it not been for a lapse in concentration or whatever it was in the Vosges last year when he crashed at 80km/h. (For the record, Nibali said afterward that Contador was descending dangerously when he crashed). Remember in 2013 Froome said the same thing when AC attacked him coming off the Alpe du'Ez? Again Contador crashed and almost took Froome out. Then just yesterday he loses a couple of minutes after crashing downhill.

I just want to know why people (like Broccolidwarf) say that Contador will take time out of Froome on descents? I just want them to name even ONE descent in a Grand Tour where he has taken a chunk of time out of Froome? Just ONE. I have named 3 recent Tour descents where he has crashed all on his own, at a big cost to himself. Especially last year when he was in such good form.

Yet they come on here saying how Froome is going to lose time to Contador on the descents, lose time on the cobbles, etc. I think it's just a combination of wishful thinking and utter bollocks.
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His rivals say he is one of the better descenders among the grand tour contenders and that is good enough for me. If you listened to interviews this is a common refrain.
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I repeat my appeal here (yet again) for anybody to give an example in a Grand Tour where Contador has taken a chunk of time out of Froome. Nobody can give an example because it hasn't happened. This is the point. But people (like Broccolidwarf) are already talking about how Contador might take time out of Froome on wet descents in next year's Tour! Talk about grasping at straws.
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Anyone who follows cycling, has seen Froome look like Bambi on ice, when decending in the wet, and have seen Contador attack in the same conditions.

After watching yesterdays stage, I will concede that Froome has improved significantly in his decending - he was vulnerable on top of Glandon, but still managed to sit with Nibali downhill..... but I will maintain it will be different in the wet.

Froome is simply not as good a bike handler as the other top contenders...... no matter how much of a fanboy you are :)
 
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Ludwig's Olaf

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buchanan said:
Angliru said:
buchanan said:
It's one thing to take risks and it works out. But too often of late Alberto's descending has let him down or caused him to crash. He may well have won last year's Tour had it not been for a lapse in concentration or whatever it was in the Vosges last year when he crashed at 80km/h. (For the record, Nibali said afterward that Contador was descending dangerously when he crashed). Remember in 2013 Froome said the same thing when AC attacked him coming off the Alpe du'Ez? Again Contador crashed and almost took Froome out. Then just yesterday he loses a couple of minutes after crashing downhill.

I just want to know why people (like Broccolidwarf) say that Contador will take time out of Froome on descents? I just want them to name even ONE descent in a Grand Tour where he has taken a chunk of time out of Froome? Just ONE. I have named 3 recent Tour descents where he has crashed all on his own, at a big cost to himself. Especially last year when he was in such good form.

Yet they come on here saying how Froome is going to lose time to Contador on the descents, lose time on the cobbles, etc. I think it's just a combination of wishful thinking and utter bollocks.
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His rivals say he is one of the better descenders among the grand tour contenders and that is good enough for me. If you listened to interviews this is a common refrain.
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I repeat my appeal here (yet again) for anybody to give an example in a Grand Tour where Contador has taken a chunk of time out of Froome. Nobody can give an example because it hasn't happened. This is the point. But people (like Broccolidwarf) are already talking about how Contador might take time out of Froome on wet descents in next year's Tour! Talk about grasping at straws.
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I believe Bertie finished 10 minutes+ ahead of Froome in the Vuelta 2012, and he wasn't in top shape either. Remember? A most amazing grand tour just after the boring one won by the Elvis impersonator.
 
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Looks like Contador will be the only one of the 4 who will get absolutely nothing out of this Tour. Last chance tomorrow.
 
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Great ride by Nibali. I hope he replaces Valverde on the podium!!! He deserves the place with the way he rides. AC today?.. i guess he is back to 2013 form. He is probably running already his last straw. It's painful watching him out there. Forget about winning the stage, Nibali has the form and attack at the right time. Nibali is the one that makes the race interesting. I hope tomorrow, Nibali will topple valverde. He got stage win already.

As far AC, don't know.. he isn't looking any better. He just hangs there by his seam of his pants. TS should just send everyone to the breakaway and try to win another stage. And AC can come back next year. And forget about doing the double again. Just focus on one, and be good at it. It's tough to see him struggling and want to do whatever he wants but can't. I'm at peace with Contador now. Whatever he'll do tomorrow, still great effort. VAMOS ALBERTO :)
 
Red Rick

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Jelantik said:
Great ride by Nibali. I hope he replaces Valverde on the podium!!! He deserves the place with the way he rides. AC today?.. i guess he is back to 2013 form. He is probably running already his last straw. It's painful watching him out there. Forget about winning the stage, Nibali has the form and attack at the right time. Nibali is the one that makes the race interesting. I hope tomorrow, Nibali will topple valverde. He got stage win already.

As far AC, don't know.. he isn't looking any better. He just hangs there by his seam of his pants. TS should just send everyone to the breakaway and try to win another stage. And AC can come back next year. And forget about doing the double again. Just focus on one, and be good at it. It's tough to see him struggling and want to do whatever he wants but can't. I'm at peace with Contador now. Whatever he'll do tomorrow, still great effort. VAMOS ALBERTO :)
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Jup, this

Contador just doesn't have the legs, he tried on the first climb because in he might take time in a big breakaway but uphill he can't make it due to fatigue and all the crashes he's been through throughout this double. Quintana exposed Froome. Contador will come back next year to try and take this one down one last time
 
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SeriousSam said:
Looks like Contador will be the only one of the 4 who will get absolutely nothing out of this Tour. Last chance tomorrow.
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Bertie does not care about the podium. He has attacked for the last 2 days and he paid for it on the last part of the climb.
You can't deny that after a brutal battle with Astana at the Giro and the fact he at times looked the strongest rider " yesterday" and staying up there with the best. No other rider could do that.
If he can recover from today , we know is that he will attack again tomorrow. He's a racer.
Looking how close he has been to Froome ,Quintana etc riders who have only focused on the tour, Contador will be hard to beat next year if he just go's for the tour.
 
LaFlorecita

LaFlorecita

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Jelantik said:
Great ride by Nibali. I hope he replaces Valverde on the podium!!! He deserves the place with the way he rides. AC today?.. i guess he is back to 2013 form. He is probably running already his last straw. It's painful watching him out there. Forget about winning the stage, Nibali has the form and attack at the right time. Nibali is the one that makes the race interesting. I hope tomorrow, Nibali will topple valverde. He got stage win already.

As far AC, don't know.. he isn't looking any better. He just hangs there by his seam of his pants. TS should just send everyone to the breakaway and try to win another stage. And AC can come back next year. And forget about doing the double again. Just focus on one, and be good at it. It's tough to see him struggling and want to do whatever he wants but can't. I'm at peace with Contador now. Whatever he'll do tomorrow, still great effort. VAMOS ALBERTO :)
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Uhm no, Contador is definitely better than in 2013. :eek:
 
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