Some Contador-fans are incredible delusional..... at least just say there are better chances for him podiuming instead of making it sound like a cakewalk for King Conta to podium. Meh.
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Valv.Piti said:Some Contador-fans are incredible delusional.....
Don't take it personally and by the way Miburo has never heard of subtlety.Valv.Piti said:Some Contador-fans are incredible delusional..... at least just say there are better chances for him podiuming instead of making it sound like a cakewalk for King Conta to podium. Meh.
Carols said:Valv.Piti said:Some Contador-fans are incredible delusional.....
If you mean me you're barking up the wrong tree. I do not engage in forum squabbles, its just that simple.
Also I am one of Bala's biggest fans on this forum, so don't dish your allies .
It's all hypothetical duh. If Contador had skipped the Giro and had a proper build up...Ataraxus said:Yeah... Had Tejay not gotten ill.....
LaFlorecita said:If he had had an easy Giro, he would have been in better shape, he would not have lost as much time uphill, he would not have wasted energy with futile attacks, he might have been more focused which would have kept him upright and if he had been closer to Froome/the podium he may have fought harder to keep the time gaps as small as possible. It all adds up.
LaFlorecita said:If he had had an easy Giro, he would have been in better shape, he would not have lost as much time uphill, he would not have wasted energy with futile attacks, he might have been more focused which would have kept him upright and if he had been closer to Froome/the podium he may have fought harder to keep the time gaps as small as possible. It all adds up.
Valv.Piti said:LaFlorecita said:If he had had an easy Giro, he would have been in better shape, he would not have lost as much time uphill, he would not have wasted energy with futile attacks, he might have been more focused which would have kept him upright and if he had been closer to Froome/the podium he may have fought harder to keep the time gaps as small as possible. It all adds up.
It does, but does that equate easily podium? I have always been recognising it would be a possibility (albeit slight), the problem for me is the way its framed. Like, Contador just woulda snapped his finger and he woulda been on the final step in Paris.
We will never know for sure. What we know, on the other hand, is that Valverde was in his best ever mountain shape (atleast in the Tour, I don't count 2005) and that Contador a) overall didn't was a force in 2015 and b) had ridden a Giro prior to the Tour. I don't care how hard it was ridden, no matter what it reduces the chances drastically of doing well in France.
Carols said:Miburo said:Without Astana going full genius in the giro Contador would have easily podium'd the tour, he wouldn't have won it though, no way.
Somehow I find myself agreeing with Miburo, at least partially. An uncommon occurrence
Miburo said:Singer01 said:lets keep repeating this as if its true. in about half of his GTs (since becoming a contender) froome has weakened in the last week, but still probably been top 3. in the other half he has been very strong.Miburo said:The best Contador can definitely match Froome, i don't think he can create as big gaps as Froome going full genius.
But he can hold on and in the last week of a GT, it's been shown Froome drops in shape. The tour of last year has proven that theory.
It's absolutely true.
The vuelta of 2014 can't be uses as a reference since he was still getting better and better, just came from an injury. In the tour he'll be 100% directly, like always
It happened in tour 2013 and 2015 where he was the leader and crushed the field in the beginning.
In the tour of 2012, it didn't happen. True and why not? Cause he didn't have to do anything the first weeks, he was containing himself for wiggins.
So yea it always happen when Froome is in that position.
Look it up before commenting, makes you look like a tool
Carols said:Carols said:Miburo said:Without Astana going full genius in the giro Contador would have easily podium'd the tour, he wouldn't have won it though, no way.
Somehow I find myself agreeing with Miburo, at least partially. An uncommon occurrence
EDIT: Upon further discussion and reflection I must mitigate my assessment. It might not have been an 'easy' podium.
Kwibus said:Carols said:Carols said:Miburo said:Without Astana going full genius in the giro Contador would have easily podium'd the tour, he wouldn't have won it though, no way.
Somehow I find myself agreeing with Miburo, at least partially. An uncommon occurrence
EDIT: Upon further discussion and reflection I must mitigate my assessment. It might not have been an 'easy' podium.
You said partially which was clearly a reference to the "easily" part if you ask me. As that was the usual not so subtle part of Miburo. Unless you referred to the "he wouldn't have won it" part, which would suggest you think he would've won. I doubt you referred to that though
rhubroma said:Alberto made the mistake of coming into the Giro under form, thinking he would have the margin to win it anyway and then peak for the Tour.
All that happened, though, was that such a hard Giro taxed him too excessively and he was never able to recover for the Tour.
IMO the Giro -Tour doubble is still possible, extremely risky and difficult, but possible. But you have to treat the Giro as if it were the only objective and come in top shape, to not overly-burn the system to win it, to then rest between and start the Tour a notch off, but race back into top shape by the first MTF.
It's what the bigs who won both in the same year did before. People could thus be in for a surprise with Nibali, if he wins the Giro and then starts the Tour.
Hugo Koblet said:I think the only one capable of doing the double is Froome.
LaFlorecita said:Froome wouldn't even win the Giro IMO.
Hugo Koblet said:What?LaFlorecita said:Froome wouldn't even win the Giro IMO.
LaFlorecita said:Froome wouldn't even win the Giro IMO.