Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[blackmamba]

Data is all well and good but you have one really bad day and booooom your tour is over.
We all [ bertie fans] want Bertie to win but come the tour come Froome Quintana and bonkers Astana and those numbers mean nothing. You have to know how to suffer its that simple.
The tour is won on the road not on data figures.
I'm seriously considering switching to becoming a Foome fan ....Bertie fans on here are so nerdy its unbelievable.
Do you actually ride a bike? Its like a real click of geeks who couldn't ride alp d huez in under a hour. You absolutely have no idea. Go ride a bike FFS.

I'm going over to the dark side

Contador is superior to everyone in all areas ( tactically, strenght etc) WHEN hes in top shape so how are they gonne beat him? With superior team is the only chance if he dont crash or anything like that. (And before you mention the recent tours try to think further than your nose and logically pls. HE RODE THE GIRO before rest you should figure out yourself.

Its simple, fanboy all you want as a excuse but its pretty simply when you look at the facts I actually challenge anyone to come up with a single serious note based on facts / stats that we know of and not just your thoughts which is totally not interessting but FACTS to show otherwice, h. To be ahead of the answers again, YES HINAULT is a all time great and a huge champion but he competed at a time when it was far less competition and technology and science basically didnt exsist and he didnt keep on winning grand tours 10 years after the first one, even then so its not even close at this point.

So yes if hes TOP shape without any injuries or illness ahead of the Tour he will win, barring any incidents in the Tour ofc. But he needs to be top shape else he wont be good enough cause Froome is good!

Listen if someone beats him in a GT when hes in TOP conditions I will be the first one to admit that he no longer is number one and father time has caught up with him but untill that happens and everything else suggest otherwice it doesnt make sense to do that!

And no im not a Contador fan boy, im a cycling fan boy it just so happens that Contador happens to be the greatest GC rider of our generation and its nothing anyone can do with that.

Maybe you should have done a bit of research before you wrote something UNFACTUAL;

1- Hinault won GTs for 9 straight years. In 3 of those years he won 2 GTS.
2- His Lesser (NOT) competition included among others: Lucien Van Impe, Bernard Thévenet, Joop Zoetemelk, Laurent Fignon and Greg LeMond. If you don't know who these guys are I suggest you do some homework.

While I do believe Alberto belongs With the Best of stage racers of all times, to say "he is simply the greatest GT rider of all time" is ludicrous. I'm a pretty big Alberto fan girl, but I've been a Cycling fan girl for decades before Alberto showed up. He is the best Since Hinault IMO, but not the best ever.

EDIT: BTW Hinault isn't the Best Ever either, that would be one Eddy Merckx who I also saw ride.

I suggest you read it again and try one more time

I said in 10 years not 9, second those guys you mention have nice names and I do know about em all but it doesnt exactly take a rocket science to understand that becoming a pro cycling back then compared to now is like day and night and reflects the overall competition lvl.

How sad is it when someone points out facta fails to be clever and it turns out their not even pointing out anything else besides they have a hard time beeing able to read

 

[The Hitch]

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Actually, the circumstances were never as equal as they were in the Vuelta 2014 between AC and CF, that's the funniest thing.

2013 Tirreno?

What?

Can't read?

I don't really see how your example is relevant to the discussion? Not only that it's 2013, but I was refering to GTs.

Try again.

The point I was making is that if you count the Vuelta as being the same as the Tour then why not count lesser WT races as being the same as the Vuelta?

The Vuelta is not the Tour. The TDF is where the showdowns happen.

 

[The Hitch]

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Actually, the circumstances were never as equal as they were in the Vuelta 2014 between AC and CF, that's the funniest thing.

2013 Tirreno?

2011 Castilla y Leon?

Laaaaaawl. Well played

As well, as you know, Froome despite to be still a young rider, was in treatment those months.

He was 25 almost 26. At that age, Contador had won all 3 Grand Tours.

 

[peloton]

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Froome was in treatment


Lawls.

This. Too funny.

 

[blackmamba]

Well the thing is I guess some people just gets offended when they realise their opinion totally contradict every thing we know as stats, facts etc and logic in general.

 

[dacooley]

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Well the thing is I guess some people just gets offended when they realise their opinion totally contradict every thing we know as stats, facts etc and logic in general.

any stats and even facts can be interpreted very differently.

 

[blackmamba]

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Well the thing is I guess some people just gets offended when they realise their opinion totally contradict every thing we know as stats, facts etc and logic in general.

any stats and even facts can be interpreted very differently.

No, they cant. Well I guess you can look at it whatever way you want but the facts tell us the only REAL baseline and gives us the most logical answer to go from, sure if you wanne speculate go speculate all you want, but smart people in life sticks to what makes most sense, and thats based on what we know from facts / stats.


Sure you gotte be smart enought to look past the ABC in things but im assuming you are, and if you are you get what im saying atleast and if you meant the ones who cant look past things like that and in general have no clue I grant you that stats and facts can be interpreted very differently.

 

[Miburo]

I think im sane. I just think alberto will crush everyone in Le tour. Is that so insane ;(

 

[Taxus4a]

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I think im sane. I just think alberto will crush everyone in Le tour. Is that so insane ;(

I dont midn if one wins le Tour or another, it will be good and I will aplause if Contador do that. it is not insane. In my opinion I think it wont be like that. I think he is like in 2014, and that way he will be beated by Froome and Quintana. Likelly he will be on the podium, and I hope he is in the level to play to win le Tour with his view of the race and taking a little risk. But I have my doubts. I think he will be at least second in the second ITT, maybe he will win it.

I just hope you are not very disapointed if Contador is not at the level to win le Tour. Looking last years it will be logical. If I am wrong, I will admit that.

Of course if Quintana or Froome will have some kind of problem, he will be the favourite, but with important rivals as well (I dont mean Aru, Contador showed he is clearly better than him at the Giro, although the second ITT is very good as well for him.)

 

[lenric]

It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

 

[Miburo]

I was joking man. I think Contador will get crushed tbh, I hope it's not the case but i've seen it happen way too often, vuelta 2014 gives me some hope though. Froome was going really hard there and contador could follow it rather easily

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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I just hope you are not very disapointed if Contador is not at the level to win le Tour. Looking last years it will be logical. If I am wrong, I will admit that.

Looking at THIS year it would not be logical if he isn't at the level to win but I get it, I get it, even at his very best he can't beat the mighty Froome, because the "wonderful years" are over

 

[lenric]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

 

[Taxus4a]

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I was joking man. I think Contador will get crushed tbh, I hope it's not the case but i've seen it happen way too often, vuelta 2014 gives me some hope though. Froome was going really hard there and contador could follow it rather easily

it is not always going to be that Contador get time in the ITT. You are realistic, that is good, becouse I quite agree with lenric in with statement... it is the same in Spain in most of the cases.

You are not that way so you are in my side of cycling, it doesnt matter the preferences. If Froome fans would be like lenric said, I would be quite often defending Contador.

 

[ray j willings]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

Come on , Even though I am claiming to now be Froomes and Skys biggest fan " no 1 baby" You or anyone else with a bit of common sense should realize that Bertie was way off his best in 2013. He would have won nothing in 2014 and 2015 if he did not improve from that season. You have to be fair ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or do you

Watch those wind gaps Bertie. Sky [ the force of all evil and the advantage reversed alien technology ] are coming.
I think we now know who controls HAARP. The wind is coming. They will make it.

 

[Publicus]

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I think im sane. I just think alberto will crush everyone in Le tour. Is that so insane ;(

I dont midn if one wins le Tour or another, it will be good and I will aplause if Contador do that. it is not insane. In my opinion I think it wont be like that. I think he is like in 2014, and that way he will be beated by Froome and Quintana. Likelly he will be on the podium, and I hope he is in the level to play to win le Tour with his view of the race and taking a little risk. But I have my doubts. I think he will be at least second in the second ITT, maybe he will win it.

I just hope you are not very disapointed if Contador is not at the level to win le Tour. Looking last years it will be logical. If I am wrong, I will admit that.

Of course if Quintana or Froome will have some kind of problem, he will be the favourite, but with important rivals as well (I dont mean Aru, Contador showed he is clearly better than him at the Giro, although the second ITT is very good as well for him.)

In 2014, he beat Quintana at TA, Froome at the Vuelta (excluding Dauphine because Froome crashed), but you conclude that both will beat him this year even though you think he's on 2014 form. Then you note that looking at last year's TdF, you think it's logical that he won't be at the level to win. Except you ignore the Giro-Tour double attempt and the impact the Giro clearly had on Contador's performance. I'm not a big proponent on looking at past performances to predict future results, but if you're going to do it, at least be consistent. Not to mention, you should at a minimum look at their head-to-head performances to date.

My guess is you place too little weight on the 2014 Vuelta and too much weight on the 2015 TdF.

 

[lenric]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

Come on , Even though I am claiming to now be Froomes and Skys biggest fan " no 1 baby" You or anyone else with a bit of common sense should realize that Bertie was way off his best in 2013. He would have won nothing in 2014 and 2015 if he did not improve from that season. You have to be fair ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or do you

Watch those wind gaps Bertie. Sky [ the force of all evil and the advantage reversed alien technology ] are coming.
I think we now know who controls HAARP. The wind is coming. They will make it.

I am being fair. He raced poorly in 2013. Wether it was due to illness, lack of motivation or whatever that's not my problem and the world kept running forward.
There are people here that keep saying that Contador is better than riders who raced 40 years ago, yet they say that 2013 can't be used to comparisons. See the contradiction?

Since his ban, Contador didn't show he was able to do 80% of what he could do before. His main weapon (acceleration) was greatly reduced and he can't keep the attacks as long as he could, that's why he changed his way of racing into a more tactic one. Because of this that's why we can't see him crushing everybody else since Giro's 2011. I know that our mothers have always told us that if we want that much something, we will have it... but that's not always true.
Anyway, I admit this is my opinion. The majority of Contador's fans claim that this is obviously false and keep insulting everyone in the process, knowing they are protected by moderators. I'm not worried about this, since I laugh about it, but it's weird that some people can insult others and get away with that pretty easily.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

Come on , Even though I am claiming to now be Froomes and Skys biggest fan " no 1 baby" You or anyone else with a bit of common sense should realize that Bertie was way off his best in 2013. He would have won nothing in 2014 and 2015 if he did not improve from that season. You have to be fair ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or do you

Watch those wind gaps Bertie. Sky [ the force of all evil and the advantage reversed alien technology ] are coming.
I think we now know who controls HAARP. The wind is coming. They will make it.

The majority of Contador's fans claim that this is obviously false and keep insulting everyone in the process, knowing they are protected by moderators. I'm not worried about this, since I laugh about it, but it's weird that some people can insult others and get away with that pretty easily.

Hit it right on the money. As long as I just don't get banned for disagreeing, I have no problem with it either, altho I constantly have to be aware not to get too spicy when debating the likes of blackmamba, Jakub and Blurry because it can be messy and you will probably have to face a 1 week ban.

 

[Angliru]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

Come on , Even though I am claiming to now be Froomes and Skys biggest fan " no 1 baby" You or anyone else with a bit of common sense should realize that Bertie was way off his best in 2013. He would have won nothing in 2014 and 2015 if he did not improve from that season. You have to be fair ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or do you

Watch those wind gaps Bertie. Sky [ the force of all evil and the advantage reversed alien technology ] are coming.
I think we now know who controls HAARP. The wind is coming. They will make it.

I am being fair. He raced poorly in 2013. Wether it was due to illness, lack of motivation or whatever that's not my problem and the world kept running forward.
There are people here that keep saying that Contador is better than riders who raced 40 years ago, yet they say that 2013 can't be used to comparisons. See the contradiction?

Since his ban, Contador didn't show he was able to do 80% of what he could do before. His main weapon (acceleration) was greatly reduced and he can't keep the attacks as long as he could, that's why he changed his way of racing into a more tactic one. Because of this that's why we can't see him crushing everybody else since Giro's 2011. I know that our mothers have always told us that if we want that much something, we will have it... but that's not always true.
Anyway, I admit this is my opinion. The majority of Contador's fans claim that this is obviously false and keep insulting everyone in the process, knowing they are protected by moderators. I'm not worried about this, since I laugh about it, but it's weird that some people can insult others and get away with that pretty easily.

Conversely, aren't the Froome contingent guilty of the same when it comes to 2014? To hear it from them, Froome, for whatever reasons, was only having a less than stellar season due to (insert excuse here) and that would explain certain riders being able to get closer to him competitively than in say 2013. Any introduction of anyone able to climb with Froome, the response is that was only because Froome was (insert excuse). Anything that happened at the 2014 Vuelta was because Froome was "getting in a grand tour in preparation for 2015". The results were secondary. He wasn't there to win it only as training. He certainly appeared to be trying to win it to me.

This is meant as a response and not a personal insult.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I was joking man. I think Contador will get crushed tbh, I hope it's not the case but i've seen it happen way too often, vuelta 2014 gives me some hope though. Froome was going really hard there and contador could follow it rather easily

it is not always going to be that Contador get time in the ITT. You are realistic, that is good, becouse I quite agree with lenric in with statement... it is the same in Spain in most of the cases.

You are not that way so you are in my side of cycling, it doesnt matter the preferences. If Froome fans would be like lenric said, I would be quite often defending Contador.

Lol...you must not read many posts on this forum. It works both ways...there's crazy AC fans and there is crazy Froome fans.

There are crazy Froome-fans, but there are no craaaaazy Froome-fans, thats the difference

 

[lenric]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

Come on , Even though I am claiming to now be Froomes and Skys biggest fan " no 1 baby" You or anyone else with a bit of common sense should realize that Bertie was way off his best in 2013. He would have won nothing in 2014 and 2015 if he did not improve from that season. You have to be fair ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or do you

Watch those wind gaps Bertie. Sky [ the force of all evil and the advantage reversed alien technology ] are coming.
I think we now know who controls HAARP. The wind is coming. They will make it.

I am being fair. He raced poorly in 2013. Wether it was due to illness, lack of motivation or whatever that's not my problem and the world kept running forward.
There are people here that keep saying that Contador is better than riders who raced 40 years ago, yet they say that 2013 can't be used to comparisons. See the contradiction?

Since his ban, Contador didn't show he was able to do 80% of what he could do before. His main weapon (acceleration) was greatly reduced and he can't keep the attacks as long as he could, that's why he changed his way of racing into a more tactic one. Because of this that's why we can't see him crushing everybody else since Giro's 2011. I know that our mothers have always told us that if we want that much something, we will have it... but that's not always true.
Anyway, I admit this is my opinion. The majority of Contador's fans claim that this is obviously false and keep insulting everyone in the process, knowing they are protected by moderators. I'm not worried about this, since I laugh about it, but it's weird that some people can insult others and get away with that pretty easily.

Conversely, aren't the Froome contingent guilty of the same when it comes to 2014? To hear it from them, Froome, for whatever reasons, was only having a less than stellar season due to (insert excuse here) and that would explain certain riders being able to get closer to him competitively than in say 2013. Any introduction of anyone able to climb with Froome, the response is that was only because Froome was (insert excuse). Anything that happened at the 2014 Vuelta was because Froome was "getting in a grand tour in preparation for 2015". The results were secondary. He wasn't there to win it only as training. He certainly appeared to be trying to win it to me.

This is meant as a response and not a personal insult.

I'm not a Froome boy, but it is true what you're saying. Nevertheless, as least in this forum the ratio between Contador whiny kids vs Froome whiny kids is 3:1/4:1.

 

[ray j willings]

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It's ironic that Contador fans are always claiming to be insulted by everyone else, when they are by far the most protected group in this forum, always acting like a whiny little frat kid whenever someone claims that Contador is no longer the best. Actually, it's not ironic at all. It's hypocrisy at its best, it's almost fun, mainly when we see some of them claiming that 2013 can't be accountable for comparisons, and yet they do compare riders from 2010 to those who rode 20 or 40 years ago.

Come on , Even though I am claiming to now be Froomes and Skys biggest fan " no 1 baby" You or anyone else with a bit of common sense should realize that Bertie was way off his best in 2013. He would have won nothing in 2014 and 2015 if he did not improve from that season. You have to be fair ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or do you

Watch those wind gaps Bertie. Sky [ the force of all evil and the advantage reversed alien technology ] are coming.
I think we now know who controls HAARP. The wind is coming. They will make it.

I am being fair. He raced poorly in 2013. Wether it was due to illness, lack of motivation or whatever that's not my problem and the world kept running forward.
There are people here that keep saying that Contador is better than riders who raced 40 years ago, yet they say that 2013 can't be used to comparisons. See the contradiction?

Since his ban, Contador didn't show he was able to do 80% of what he could do before. His main weapon (acceleration) was greatly reduced and he can't keep the attacks as long as he could, that's why he changed his way of racing into a more tactic one. Because of this that's why we can't see him crushing everybody else since Giro's 2011. I know that our mothers have always told us that if we want that much something, we will have it... but that's not always true.
Anyway, I admit this is my opinion. The majority of Contador's fans claim that this is obviously false and keep insulting everyone in the process, knowing they are protected by moderators. I'm not worried about this, since I laugh about it, but it's weird that some people can insult others and get away with that pretty easily.

80% ? So your saying that a 20% Bertie is good enough to win the Giro the Vuelta Kick my fav rider Chris [ he looks like a dark lord oval git wizard] Froome's bottom all through 2014. That would make Bertie not just the greatest rider of all time but perhaps the greatest in the whole of the known universe. He could even beat Batman.
Did you know bike racing is very popular in the Andromeda system.

 

[lenric]

Kudos for the funny reframing on my mistake, I laughed.
However, since you focused on that part, I assume you agree with the rest of my post

 

[dacooley]

Loving Bertie is OK. Hating opponents for being able to seriously challenge Bertie is utterly dirrrty, immature and bad-mannered. And the latter is quite common here. Everyone realizes it. But the thing is that AC fans are very different as well. I personally often enjoy a moderate analysis from rm7, jelantik or Publicus.