Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[Mr.White]

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The TV coverage was so poor for me, I don't know what happened. Could anyone give a simple overview? I don't understand what RK did wrong. If it was a case of losing +30 seconds in order to possibly give Contador an extra second or two... I just don't see how that makes sense to waste all that time if I am RK's DS and want to have a highly placed GC rider.

Nothing. The advantage of drafting at that sort of speeds is ZERO.

Really? Are they on Angliru, or Zoncolan, where drafting didn't mean much? I thought they were on 5% hill. Am I wrong?

 

[burning]

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Well I lost a lot of respect for Contador now. He is not on Froome/Quintana level anymore even without injuries. He is living legend, but he is declining and he is injured. He has team which is loyal to him (maybe until now). But now they need to fight for new contracts and they are supposed to sacrifice themself for Contador who has very small chance of success? Sorry, but in my opinion, if he has any honor whatsoever he just step down and let his team mates fight for their future.

Think about 2011 Tour, when Voeckler was struggling on Galibier, he gave nod to Rolland to ride for himself but according to AC fans, Rolland should have slaved for him to save like 20 seconds on Alpe instead of going for a stage win. AC knows that he's done for GC, yet he still wastes his teammates effort for absolutely no reason.

What kind of comparison is that?! The greatest GC rider of his generation TV!

I think you forgot that Voeckler was in yellow for 10 days

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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The TV coverage was so poor for me, I don't know what happened. Could anyone give a simple overview? I don't understand what RK did wrong. If it was a case of losing +30 seconds in order to possibly give Contador an extra second or two... I just don't see how that makes sense to waste all that time if I am RK's DS and want to have a highly placed GC rider.

Nothing. The advantage of drafting at that sort of speeds is ZERO.

Really? Are they on Angliru, or Zoncolan, where drafting didn't mean much? I thought they were on 5% hill. Am I wrong?

What? I was unable to watch yesterday's stage —was Contador REALLY dropped on a 5% gradient?

 

[Montecampione]

20. ESPVALVERDE Alejandro 12 MOVISTAR TEAM 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
21. BELNAESEN Oliver 78 IAM CYCLING 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
22. COLQUINTANA Nairo 11 MOVISTAR TEAM 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
23. CZEKREUZIGER Roman 36 TINKOFF 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
24. GBRFROOME Christopher 1 TEAM SKY 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''

61. ESPCONTADOR Alberto 31 TINKOFF 04h 43' 53'' + 00' 05''

 

[Red Rick]

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20. ESPVALVERDE Alejandro 12 MOVISTAR TEAM 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
21. BELNAESEN Oliver 78 IAM CYCLING 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
22. COLQUINTANA Nairo 11 MOVISTAR TEAM 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
23. CZEKREUZIGER Roman 36 TINKOFF 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
24. GBRFROOME Christopher 1 TEAM SKY 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''

61. ESPCONTADOR Alberto 31 TINKOFF 04h 43' 53'' + 00' 05''

Well if that second is gonna make the difference between winning and losing I'll walk the streets naked.

 

[Carols]

Watching an interview with Oleg. Alberto is 'black all over'...'any other rider would abandon but Alberto is so strong mentally he won't give up'...'tomorrow the Aspin will tell us all'.

 

[Lexman]

Contador lost a second more in the sprint, can't he be accompanied by Tossato or so till the finish...

 

[Hayabusa]

I personally don't get the hate for Kreuziger here. If Alberto was in top form, hadn't crashed and was caught up in a delay that was not his fault and Kreuziger had not stopped to help then I could understand the hate.

But here Alberto is banged up, not in top form and any chances of him winning this tour are now so remote... Kudos to Alberto for continuing, spirit of a champion but I don't think that the other riders should be sacrificing themselves for him given the current situation.

 

[Carols]

Oleg talking about Alberto going for stages in the 3rd week if he has to give up on GC.

 

[Lexman]

nice interview here with Yates :

http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/Tour/1.2707322

" Q id you change leadership to Roman ?
A : Absolutely not !"

 

[laurensde+]

This thread's funny af just now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Contador lost a second more in the sprint, can't he be accompanied by Tossato or so till the finish...

20. ESPVALVERDE Alejandro 12 MOVISTAR TEAM 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
21. BELNAESEN Oliver 78 IAM CYCLING 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
22. COLQUINTANA Nairo 11 MOVISTAR TEAM 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
23. CZEKREUZIGER Roman 36 TINKOFF 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''
24. GBRFROOME Christopher 1 TEAM SKY 04h 43' 52'' + 00' 04''

61. ESPCONTADOR Alberto 31 TINKOFF 04h 43' 53'' + 00' 05''

Those gaps seem hella dodgy, Guarnieri in 19th +0'04", Pibernik in 60th +0'05", sure, those 40 riders in between entered within one second.

 

[TheYouyou7]

I dont know from where this second gap comes considering that this "gap" is one position ahead of him

 

[LaFlorecita]

I dont know from where this second gap comes considering that this "gap" is one position ahead of him

Of course it's possible that the rider in front of him left a gap, but I think it's rather unlikely Guarnieri in 19th finished 4s behind Cavendish, and Pibernik in 60th 5s. That would mean all 40 riders in between finished within several 1/100s of a second, because there has to be clear 1s gap for a gap to be given.

 

[Miburo]

Come on God, i haven't used you often. It's time to do me a favor, make sure that left leg works again.

I'm not gonna ask for the shoulder, i don't wanna push it.

Apperently it might rain tomorrow btw, would have been great for a healthy contador...........

 

[Publicus]

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Come on God, i haven't used you often. It's time to do me a favor, make sure that left leg works again.

I'm not gonna ask for the shoulder, i don't wanna push it.

Apperently it might rain tomorrow btw, would have been great for a healthy contador...........

Could be TERRIBLE for a sore/injured Contador. Hopefully he finishes with the leaders.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Come on God, i haven't used you often. It's time to do me a favor, make sure that left leg works again.

I'm not gonna ask for the shoulder, i don't wanna push it.

Apperently it might rain tomorrow btw, would have been great for a healthy contador...........

The camera showed Alberto a few times when he was near the front about 10k's to go, on each occasion he was really grimacing with the high pace being set. I think his injuries are going to take a while to heal and will lose a lot of time this weekend. Maybe he will be ok for a stage win on week 3 though?

 

[Mr.White]

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I personally don't get the hate for Kreuziger here. If Alberto was in top form, hadn't crashed and was caught up in a delay that was not his fault and Kreuziger had not stopped to help then I could understand the hate.

But here Alberto is banged up, not in top form and any chances of him winning this tour are now so remote... Kudos to Alberto for continuing, spirit of a champion but I don't think that the other riders should be sacrificing themselves for him given the current situation.

Alberto is not in top form due to crashes he had in first two stages. Otherwise his form is excellent. He should be back in form in next couple of stages, which are critical for him, and in which he need maximal team support. And that's where all the hate for Kreuziger came. He supposed to be his right hand man, he supposed to be with him in moments of trouble, to help him go through this hard days until he recovers. But Kreuziger rode his own race. He needs a new contract, some of you says. Well, I would like to ask all of you who justifies his actions yesterday, I would ask you at the end of the Tour, did Kreuziger acted smartly, or selfishly? And I will guarantee that Contador will finish far, far ahead of this traitor! I will ask then what was the right thing to do! Looking forward to the answers...

 

[Flat Out]

You come to the Tour to win the GC, stagehunting and polka dot jersey and to support Sagan and the green jersey hunt....Tinkoff is a ridiculous team. Sorry for Alberto he doesnt deserve this.

 

[RattaKuningas]

I think Contador will do just fine tomorrow because he should be better than yesterday. He lost on stage 2 (which was a lot easier stage than yesterday stage) more time than yesterday which was raced extremely fast last 50 km because of Movistar setting high tempo. Contador has clearly improved.

 

[Miburo]

I'm kinda looking forward to Contador attacking like crazy in the 3rd week.

I already gave up on GC. Contador is rather unlucky that there are so many hard stages before the restday.

In 2011 or 2015 for example, it took a while.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Come on God, i haven't used you often. It's time to do me a favor, make sure that left leg works again.

I'm not gonna ask for the shoulder, i don't wanna push it.

Apperently it might rain tomorrow btw, would have been great for a healthy contador...........

The camera showed Alberto a few times when he was near the front about 10k's to go, on each occasion he was really grimacing with the high pace being set. I think his injuries are going to take a while to heal and will lose a lot of time this weekend. Maybe he will be ok for a stage win on week 3 though?

I noticed that too. I hope that he will not suffer much tomorrow.
He should ride his own pace with Majka/Roman if big names attacks.

 

[RattaKuningas]

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Come on God, i haven't used you often. It's time to do me a favor, make sure that left leg works again.

I'm not gonna ask for the shoulder, i don't wanna push it.

Apperently it might rain tomorrow btw, would have been great for a healthy contador...........

The camera showed Alberto a few times when he was near the front about 10k's to go, on each occasion he was really grimacing with the high pace being set. I think his injuries are going to take a while to heal and will lose a lot of time this weekend. Maybe he will be ok for a stage win on week 3 though?

To me it seemed that everyone in front was grimacing.

 

[rehy90]

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I personally don't get the hate for Kreuziger here. If Alberto was in top form, hadn't crashed and was caught up in a delay that was not his fault and Kreuziger had not stopped to help then I could understand the hate.

But here Alberto is banged up, not in top form and any chances of him winning this tour are now so remote... Kudos to Alberto for continuing, spirit of a champion but I don't think that the other riders should be sacrificing themselves for him given the current situation.

Alberto is not in top form due to crashes he had in first two stages. Otherwise his form is excellent. He should be back in form in next couple of stages, which are critical for him, and in which he need maximal team support. And that's where all the hate for Kreuziger came. He supposed to be his right hand man, he supposed to be with him in moments of trouble, to help him go through this hard days until he recovers. But Kreuziger rode his own race. He needs a new contract, some of you says. Well, I would like to ask all of you who justifies his actions yesterday, I would ask you at the end of the Tour, did Kreuziger acted smartly, or selfishly? And I will guarantee that Contador will finish far, far ahead of this traitor! I will ask then what was the right thing to do! Looking forward to the answers...

Did you see 2013 Tour? Did you see how Kreuziger sacrificed himself for Contador, who then finished just one place in front of him in the GC? He sacrificed his best form ever for Alberto and in every interview he was defending this strategy and he talked about Alberto with huge respect. Since then there were a lot of other races, where he sacrificed himself for Alberto the same way. You call this man a traitor? This year he was supposed to be the leader in Suisse to secure the new contract for himself and instead of that, he was called to help Contador in Dauphine. And again he was loyal to him and worked for the team. Now after one mistake, where he actually wouldnt help Alberto that much anyway, he is dragged through mud, this is getting ridiculous.

 

[RattaKuningas]

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I personally don't get the hate for Kreuziger here. If Alberto was in top form, hadn't crashed and was caught up in a delay that was not his fault and Kreuziger had not stopped to help then I could understand the hate.

But here Alberto is banged up, not in top form and any chances of him winning this tour are now so remote... Kudos to Alberto for continuing, spirit of a champion but I don't think that the other riders should be sacrificing themselves for him given the current situation.

Alberto is not in top form due to crashes he had in first two stages. Otherwise his form is excellent. He should be back in form in next couple of stages, which are critical for him, and in which he need maximal team support. And that's where all the hate for Kreuziger came. He supposed to be his right hand man, he supposed to be with him in moments of trouble, to help him go through this hard days until he recovers. But Kreuziger rode his own race. He needs a new contract, some of you says. Well, I would like to ask all of you who justifies his actions yesterday, I would ask you at the end of the Tour, did Kreuziger acted smartly, or selfishly? And I will guarantee that Contador will finish far, far ahead of this traitor! I will ask then what was the right thing to do! Looking forward to the answers...

Did you see 2013 Tour? Did you see how Kreuziger sacrificed himself for Contador, who then finished just one place in front of him in the GC? He sacrificed his best form ever for Alberto and in every interview he was defending this strategy and he talked about Alberto with huge respect. Since then there were a lot of other races, where he sacrificed himself for Alberto the same way. You call this man a traitor? This year he was supposed to be the leader in Suisse to secure the new contract for himself and instead of that, he was called to help Contador in Dauphine. And again he was loyal to him and worked for the team. Now after one mistake, where he actually wouldnt help Alberto that much anyway, he is dragged through mud, this is getting ridiculous.

I have to agree. Kreuziger has always helped Contador and one time when things don't work out as they should is not a reason to start blaming him.