Teams & Riders Alberto Contador Discussion Thread

[sir fly]

Contador was grimacing crossing the line.
It's fifty second grimace.

 

[robin440]

race over

 

[HelloDolly]

What is it with Tinkoff...do they not want to win the Vuelta ....where is Bodnar, Kreuz , etc

What the hell...worse TTT out there for a GC contenders by a mile ...one minute is a lot to make up on SKY & Movistar not to mention Orica /LNLJ

 

[Matteo.]

For sure it's a bad start. I expected better.
I hope he'll recover some seconds on mirador d ezero

 

[Red Rick]

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Contador was grimacing crossing the line.
It's fifty second grimace.

Well, if you take it easy during a TTT, then you're doing it wrong.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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race over

Of course not, don't be ridiculous.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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What is it with Tinkoff...do they not want to win the Vuelta ....where is Bodnar, Kreuz , etc

What the hell...worse TTT out there for a GC contenders by a mile ...one minute is a lot to make up on SKY & Movistar not to mention Orica /LNLJ

Bodnar and Kreuziger probably have other objectives. If not, they would be here.

 

[Miburo]

3 minutes and i might lose some sleep over it

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Contador was grimacing crossing the line.
It's fifty second grimace.

And Froome was almost dropped by Sky at the end

 

[Jelantik]

well..his team certainly didn't put him in a good start... again another Grand tour he started on the back foot already. <sigh>. It's better got 52 seconds ahead Froome/Quintana than behind them. Should be an interesting uphill challenge again for Contador.

 

[Jakub]

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the only good thing is that Dawg looked very bad.

Only because of how fast they went. I wonder if Alberto would have struggled the minute faster

Well I don't think Dawg has made more job, he has a better team.

 

[RattaKuningas]

I am disappointed that he lost around 50 seconds today but it was a team event so it says nothing about his form. We will probably find out if he can win the race in the next few days.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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the only good thing is that Dawg looked very bad.

Only because of how fast they went. I wonder if Alberto would have struggled the minute faster

Well I don't think Dawg has made more job, he has a better team.

Dawg was certainly taking the longest turns in the Sky train though

 

[Jakub]

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What is it with Tinkoff...do they not want to win the Vuelta ....where is Bodnar, Kreuz , etc

What the hell...worse TTT out there for a GC contenders by a mile ...one minute is a lot to make up on SKY & Movistar not to mention Orica /LNLJ

Bodnar and Kreuziger probably have other objectives. If not, they would be here.

For the first time in my life I don't understand you position. They shouldn't have other objectives. A weak team like Tinkoff doesn't have much choice. Either they send the best possible team to Vuelta or not. They didn't and they *** it up. It's a logical reaction from fans that they are angry with the team and that they point out that some riders were yesterday terribly missing. Bertie has already lost Dauphine14 because of lack of team support. He might have had a better chance at TdF 15, hadn't he had to do all tge work at Giro 15 himself. I don't want to see this again now. Valv.piti's reaction ("laughable team") was correct.

And now something better. Someone said the odds speak for Dawg now, but it is not true, see:
https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/winner

 

[Miburo]

His team is shitty and should have been better. Since when do riders decide where they wanna race? Unless youre the leader you ve to listen

 

[IMA]

Contador can´t complain. He made his choice long ago, when he prioritized working with his friends over creating a competitive work environment.

By the way, Bodnar and Kreuziger could be here, although their loyalty to Alberto is, at least, questionable. But what about Valgren?

Honestly this team is a ******* joke. And Alberto is responsible for it. He should be leading by example. But when your best rider only takes care of certain people in the team...what kind of loyalty can he expect from the rest?

Alberto, you keep taking with you to anywhere you go...Jesús, Paulinho, Jacinto, Faustino...and we´ll see where it leads you...You haven´t learned anything, man.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

LOL the man has won 9 GTs, I think he knows what he's doing.

 

[saganboss]

Re: Re:

What is it with Tinkoff...do they not want to win the Vuelta ....where is Bodnar, Kreuz , etc

What the hell...worse TTT out there for a GC contenders by a mile ...one minute is a lot to make up on SKY & Movistar not to mention Orica /LNLJ

Bodnar and Kreuziger probably have other objectives. If not, they would be here.

For the first time in my life I don't understand you position. They shouldn't have other objectives. A weak team like Tinkoff doesn't have much choice. Either they send the best possible team to Vuelta or not. They didn't and they **** it up. It's a logical reaction from fans that they are angry with the team and that they point out that some riders were yesterday terribly missing. Bertie has already lost Dauphine14 because of lack of team support. He might have had a better chance at TdF 15, hadn't he had to do all tge work at Giro 15 himself. I don't want to see this again now. Valv.piti's reaction ("laughable team") was correct.

And now something better. Someone said the odds speak for Dawg now, but it is not true, see:
https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/winner

look, bodnar is sagan's man so why should he help contador on the vuelta . contador has his guys, sagan his. it's not like vuelta is the last race of the year.

 

[Jakub]

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What is it with Tinkoff...do they not want to win the Vuelta ....where is Bodnar, Kreuz , etc

What the hell...worse TTT out there for a GC contenders by a mile ...one minute is a lot to make up on SKY & Movistar not to mention Orica /LNLJ

Bodnar and Kreuziger probably have other objectives. If not, they would be here.

For the first time in my life I don't understand you position. They shouldn't have other objectives. A weak team like Tinkoff doesn't have much choice. Either they send the best possible team to Vuelta or not. They didn't and they **** it up. It's a logical reaction from fans that they are angry with the team and that they point out that some riders were yesterday terribly missing. Bertie has already lost Dauphine14 because of lack of team support. He might have had a better chance at TdF 15, hadn't he had to do all tge work at Giro 15 himself. I don't want to see this again now. Valv.piti's reaction ("laughable team") was correct.

And now something better. Someone said the odds speak for Dawg now, but it is not true, see:
https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/winner

look, bodnar is sagan's man so why should he help contador on the vuelta . contador has his guys, sagan his. it's not like vuelta is the last race of the year.

Lol, so they are two teams in one. The ideas of Sagan helping Bertie at TdF 15 and 16, Bodnar originally scheduled for TdF 15 because of TTT, Kreuziger helping one year Bertie, one year Sagan (did he switch the inner teams?), etc. what was that? And whose man is Bennati?

I knew what I was saying when I wrote that the team should have looked like AC, Benna, Kreuz, Valgren, Bodnar, Hansen, Boaro, Poljanski, Kiserlovski. Of course, Hansen and Poljanski are not available, that's fact. But the other differencies are simply mistakes and yesterday it has cost a lotta time.

 

[saganboss]

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What is it with Tinkoff...do they not want to win the Vuelta ....where is Bodnar, Kreuz , etc

What the hell...worse TTT out there for a GC contenders by a mile ...one minute is a lot to make up on SKY & Movistar not to mention Orica /LNLJ

Bodnar and Kreuziger probably have other objectives. If not, they would be here.

For the first time in my life I don't understand you position. They shouldn't have other objectives. A weak team like Tinkoff doesn't have much choice. Either they send the best possible team to Vuelta or not. They didn't and they **** it up. It's a logical reaction from fans that they are angry with the team and that they point out that some riders were yesterday terribly missing. Bertie has already lost Dauphine14 because of lack of team support. He might have had a better chance at TdF 15, hadn't he had to do all tge work at Giro 15 himself. I don't want to see this again now. Valv.piti's reaction ("laughable team") was correct.

And now something better. Someone said the odds speak for Dawg now, but it is not true, see:
https://m.oddschecker.com/m/cycling/vuelta-a-espana/winner

look, bodnar is sagan's man so why should he help contador on the vuelta . contador has his guys, sagan his. it's not like vuelta is the last race of the year.

Lol, so they are two teams in one. The ideas of Sagan helping Bertie at TdF 15 and 16, Bodnar originally scheduled for TdF 15 because of TTT, Kreuziger helping one year Bertie, one year Sagan (did he switch the inner teams?), etc. what was that? And whose man is Bennati?

I knew what I was saying when I wrote that the team should have looked like AC, Benna, Kreuz, Valgren, Bodnar, Hansen, Boaro, Poljanski, Kiserlovski. Of course, Hansen and Poljanski are not available, that's fact. But the other differencies are simply mistakes and yesterday it has cost a lotta time.

well, if bodnar will go to canada as i expect then it's pretty hard to race vuelta too, also kreuziger helped sagan one time in the whole tour, what were you watching?

 

[ILovecycling]

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LOL the man has won 9 GTs, I think he knows what he's doing.

Yep, its the fact people usually forget when he is not leading a race.

Not good ttt, but we will see on Ezaro.

 

[Jakub]

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what were you watching?

I was watching your post - the last time

 

[Pantani Attacks]

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LOL the man has won 9 GTs, I think he knows what he's doing.

Yep, its the fact people usually forget when he is not leading a race.

Not good ttt, but we will see on Ezaro.

Even if this was like the awful Tour route one shouldn't be worried. And this is the Vuelta, where there are so many mountains if a guy lost 3 or 4 minutes yesterday it won't mean much. The climbing legs will determine this race, not a TTT.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Contador can´t complain. He made his choice long ago, when he prioritized working with his friends over creating a competitive work environment.

By the way, Bodnar and Kreuziger could be here, although their loyalty to Alberto is, at least, questionable. But what about Valgren?

Honestly this team is a ******* joke. And Alberto is responsible for it. He should be leading by example. But when your best rider only takes care of certain people in the team...what kind of loyalty can he expect from the rest?

Alberto, you keep taking with you to anywhere you go...Jesús, Paulinho, Jacinto, Faustino...and we´ll see where it leads you...You haven´t learned anything, man.

To the bolded: what does that even mean do you know something we don't?

 

[Jelantik]

Contador can´t complain. He made his choice long ago, when he prioritized working with his friends over creating a competitive work environment.

By the way, Bodnar and Kreuziger could be here, although their loyalty to Alberto is, at least, questionable. But what about Valgren?

Honestly this team is a ******* joke. And Alberto is responsible for it. He should be leading by example. But when your best rider only takes care of certain people in the team...what kind of loyalty can he expect from the rest?

Alberto, you keep taking with you to anywhere you go...Jesús, Paulinho, Jacinto, Faustino...and we´ll see where it leads you...You haven´t learned anything, man.

I think you are right about Contador and his patsy. Maybe because he needs security and being surrounded by people that he can trust gives him just that. You can't blame him for that. You can't also blame him not taking Kreuziger to Trek for example.. even though, I questioned his decision.. because paulinho and jesus are good for his training mates, not much when it comes to build a strong team to win TDF. Sky created a competitive environment. So just making the cut for the TDF team is a big deal. And I read somewhere about how Sky won TDF. They won because every of their domestique does only "one job" which is to support Froome. None of that getting stage win, green jersey, polka dot or whatever. None of that.

I remember reading Landa's interview before TDF. He was hoping to be given a bit of a lease to chase stage win. All TDF, I didn't hear any comment from him anymore about his desire to do what he was hoping for, instead, what we saw on TV, he worked as domestique just like anyone else in the team. That just shows, "one goal only" period. Tinkoff has too many goals and too ambitious. That's why Contador doesn't get the support as he should be. Sky won because of the team effort, don't forget about that.

Vuelta, Contador might got his wish, to have his own patsy surrounded him. But he has to pay with the mediocre team and eat his 50' deficit. Maybe he prefers to have weaker team than dealing with someone who has their own agenda. At least, they are in "one mindset" to support him the best possible, even if it's just mediocre. well God knows. I hope that he got a monster shape to balance his weak team.