Damn I was woefully wrong. Looks like Contador doesn't have anything anymore. But retirement
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Are you deliberately misinterpreting my post to rile me up or did you misunderstand?DFA123 said:Well no, to me its certainly not surprising that he's still a level below Froome and Porte. He's obviously improved from the Dauphine, but still not enough to be on the level of the latest big three I think.LaFlorecita said:Which is not at all surprising because Contador did not go into the red at the Dauphiné.DFA123 said:I'd say they were still a level above Contador. But only one level, not the two or three we saw at the Dauphine, so I guess that's a kind of positive.
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I have no idea what you're saying hereRed Rick said:6 out of 10. Not sure what I expected.
Getting 2nd and distancing Froome, Porte and the others should tell us a little something about how this climb should be interpreted
For goodness' sake he's still better than 95% of the peloton.Dekker_Tifosi said:Damn I was woefully wrong. Looks like Contador doesn't have anything anymore. But retirement
LaFlorecita said:I have no idea what you're saying hereRed Rick said:6 out of 10. Not sure what I expected.
Getting 2nd and distancing Froome, Porte and the others should tell us a little something about how this climb should be interpreted
Right, that must be itVanBsr said:LaFlorecita said:I have no idea what you're saying hereRed Rick said:6 out of 10. Not sure what I expected.
Getting 2nd and distancing Froome, Porte and the others should tell us a little something about how this climb should be interpreted
I think he talk about Martin s perfomance
Yeah, sorry, can't make coherent sentences anymoreLaFlorecita said:Right, that must be itVanBsr said:LaFlorecita said:I have no idea what you're saying hereRed Rick said:6 out of 10. Not sure what I expected.
Martin getting 2nd and distancing Froome, Porte and the others should tell us a little something about how this climb should be interpreted
I think he talk about Martin s perfomance
What i mean is that of course he is better than the Dauphine where he probably didn't go flat out, but he isn't sufficiently better that he has closed the gap that was there to Froome, Porte and Aru.LaFlorecita said:Are you deliberately misinterpreting my post to rile me up or did you misunderstand?DFA123 said:Well no, to me its certainly not surprising that he's still a level below Froome and Porte. He's obviously improved from the Dauphine, but still not enough to be on the level of the latest big three I think.LaFlorecita said:Which is not at all surprising because Contador did not go into the red at the Dauphiné.DFA123 said:I'd say they were still a level above Contador. But only one level, not the two or three we saw at the Dauphine, so I guess that's a kind of positive.
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No, you clearly have no clue what the guy is like because you've got it the wrong way around. When he stops setting ambitious goals for himself, that's when he should retire. Aiming high is what motivates him. He won't be able to turn himself inside out on training, starve himself and spend 3 months a year in isolation on a volcano if his aim is an anonymous top-5.lenric said:If his goal in 2018 is to win the Giro, then he should retire, because that won't obviously happen. Or, at least, as easily as in 2015.
Otherwise, keep riding however he wants, as long as he's not stating he's coming here and there to win when he simply doesn't have it in him anymore.
Cance > TheRest said:6 seconds lost to Froome/Porte. That could have been a lot worse. Good pacing by Berto. This was uplifting
LaFlorecita said:No, you clearly have no clue what the guy is like because you've got it the wrong way around. When he stops setting ambitious goals for himself, that's when he should retire. Aiming high is what motivates him. He won't be able to turn himself inside out on training, starve himself and spend 3 months a year in isolation on a volcano if his aim is an anonymous top-5.lenric said:If his goal in 2018 is to win the Giro, then he should retire, because that won't obviously happen. Or, at least, as easily as in 2015.
Otherwise, keep riding however he wants, as long as he's not stating he's coming here and there to win when he simply doesn't have it in him anymore.
I agree. Contador is not the only rider showing signs of his age.gregrowlerson said:Cance > TheRest said:6 seconds lost to Froome/Porte. That could have been a lot worse. Good pacing by Berto. This was uplifting
I agree with this. I am more upbeat than not. At his age a one climb stage is likely to be less favourable to Alberto than a multi mountain one. There is still hope, even for the victory.
BigMac said:I can't get over how arrogant it is to suggest when someone else should retire.
Stinks to high heaven.
lenric said:BigMac said:I can't get over how arrogant it is to suggest when someone else should retire.
Stinks to high heaven.
You can ignore. If you can't, there's an ignore option.
Some people age well (Valverde example) some people don't. AC seems in the latter. Nothing to feel bad about. Accept and move on. He is not what he used to be. And enough riders are better, that getting into the top 3 is difficult. Such riders like AC are not satisfied with a top 10 or even a podium finish. Ac would say "I used to have trophies for breakfast". So retireDekker_Tifosi said:Damn I was woefully wrong. Looks like Contador doesn't have anything anymore. But retirement
gregrowlerson said:Cance > TheRest said:6 seconds lost to Froome/Porte. That could have been a lot worse. Good pacing by Berto. This was uplifting
I agree with this. I am more upbeat than not. At his age a one climb stage is likely to be less favourable to Alberto than a multi mountain one. There is still hope, even for the victory.
Red Rick said:There's one reason riders should retire
Because they **** want to retire
+1000BigMac said:Agreed.
I can't get over how arrogant it is to suggest when someone else should retire.
Stinks to high heaven.
You say if his goal is to win the 2018 Giro he should retire, he should only continue if he doesn't aim to win anymore.lenric said:LaFlorecita said:No, you clearly have no clue what the guy is like because you've got it the wrong way around. When he stops setting ambitious goals for himself, that's when he should retire. Aiming high is what motivates him. He won't be able to turn himself inside out on training, starve himself and spend 3 months a year in isolation on a volcano if his aim is an anonymous top-5.lenric said:If his goal in 2018 is to win the Giro, then he should retire, because that won't obviously happen. Or, at least, as easily as in 2015.
Otherwise, keep riding however he wants, as long as he's not stating he's coming here and there to win when he simply doesn't have it in him anymore.
I don't give a damn about the way he thinks, I'm not his wife, nor his friend. That's the thing about reality: it's not changed by your perception of it. You need to understand this, otherwise this is a useless conversation.
He can state how many times he wants that he's getting here and there to win and do whatever he has to do to be at his best. But his best isn't better than others best, no matter what he thinks about it. Hence, he overrates himself.
All the $hit chat about "my numbers are great, almost at 2014 level, whatever etc" seems noise, noise and noise. Nothing more than straw for his fans.