Alberto Contador suspended until August 2012 (loses all results July 2010 - Jan 2012)

[El Pistolero]

No idea on UCI rules for such a situation...

However natural justice would point to Saxo retaining ProTour status for this season...anyway I cannot envision UCI would have any protocol for this.

UCI would (to be uncharitable) be content to stand on their hands anyway, and let sleeping dogs lie.

What rules? Saxo only won the Ronde as WT event last year, not good enough to be WT. Or aren't they following their own rules?

 

[Duartista]

No, merely asking for justice like anyone else

Saxo is no longer WT as they only earned points because he won the Giro and Tour. Did Contador win those events? Yes or no? If the answer is no should the team deserve those points? No, because the 2010 Tour was with help from a different team and Giro was without help in the mountains. Sorry, no points for Saxo or did they win some imaginary Grand Tours? Tour of Pity perhaps? How many points does that earn these days?

If you take someone's results away, you better have the balls to go all the way and face the consequences.

I think the UCI already said last year that they wouldn't retroactively remove teams from the World Tour. However, if Saxo keep going they'll be in trouble for 2013, unless a) they find the money to buy in riders with the necessary points or b) their remaining riders win races all over the place this year. Realistically a) is their only option.

 

[El Pistolero]

Eddy M is becoming like Pele.

Eddy Merckx knows how it feels to have a GT taken away from him. The only idiots here are the people expecting a different opinion out of Merckx.

 

[Catwhoorg]

The correct decision was reached (eventually).

Its a crying shame it took this long to get there

 

[pmcg76]

Now that's a spurious reasoning and, paradoxically (in light of the accusation you made), rather simple minded.

I for one have found Contador to be agreeable because of the gentlemanly class with which he has always comported himself, Pharmstrong's got nothing to do with it.

Independent of the antipathy with which I have always regarded Pharmstrong, my judgment on Alberto resides in his personal character, which his presumed doping, in a world that's doped, has consequently left unaltered.

By contrast I have found Lance to be despicable, not because he doped, but for his nastiness and the fact that he's an arrogant bully.
But as to Contador’s ban, well, technically and morally it is the correct decision, even if in the hypocritical world of professional sports it is difficult to swallow, particularly in light of the way in which Lance was sustained by that hypocritical establishment and was basically able to get away with murder.

It’s the double standard thingy and the habitual mendacity of the sporting world that’s patently offensive in cases like these.

Sums it up for me.

If Contador had gone around bullying other riders who talked about doping, claimed conspiracy theoris and witchunts along with nationalistic jingoism, used social media to mock other people, made payments to the governing body, and most importantly used his health problems as his shield for doping. I would have as little respect for Contador as I have for Armstrong and that goes for all athletes.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Eddy Merckx knows how it feels to have a GT taken away from him. The only idiots here are the people expecting a different opinion out of Merckx.

alrighty, thank you..btw i didnt just mean it for this case.

 

[sniper]

Perreiro furious over AC ban.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pereiro-furious-over-contadors-cas-ban

lashes out at mcquaid.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://nl.msn.com/

http://nieuws.nl.msn.com/sport/wielrennen/cas-legt-contador-alsnog-tweejarige-schorsing-op


This is what I see on my homepage...

 

[JA.Tri]

What rules? Saxo only won the Ronde as WT event last year, not good enough to be WT. Or aren't they following their own rules?

I am simply guessing that the UCI, having granted Saxo a PTour licence would be loathe to remove said licence without proof/significant evidence of malfeasance.

 

[Ferminal]

python, you can go ahead and make a separate thread if you want.

 

[straydog]

Are you f*ckin nuts? They stole away 2 GTs from Alberto, possibly 3 and somehow he still ends up as the bad guy?

No....but you clearly are....let's try this again real slow

He failed a test....his results are taken away....he gets banned....

There...simples...you savvy now?

Were you this vociferous in defence of Tom Zirbel? Or the many others who received and served a FULL two year ban for contaminated supplement fails?

I somehow suspect not....cos I somehow suspect that cycling plays a part in your life for three weeks in July.

Well now, you can watch it in August instead, never know...you might learn something.

Peace

 

[LaFlorecita]

Perreiro furious over AC ban.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pereiro-furious-over-contadors-cas-ban

I'm glad Alberto has such loyal friends.

 

[Publicus]

No, according to CAS his clen positive at the 2010 TdF is very unlikely to have been caused by a blood transfusion. Period. It doesn't say anything about Contador's previous and later career.

Maybe we are talking at cross points. CAS says it was contaminated food supplement and as you note, expressly discounts the possibility of blood transfusion. That's not doping or cheating in my book. You can argue to your heart is content on his alleged prior cheating; I'm just noting that the CAS ruling doesn't support that conclusion as it relates to the CB positive.

I'm still reading through the report, but it is an interesting conclusion (I don't think it will give folks the closure they were seeking/expecting here).

 

[LaFlorecita]

Now a different matter, is Alberto going to re-name his dog? Or is he going to be forced by the UCI?

 

[python]

a heap of posts back i posted the full 98 page ruling and requested that a separate thread is allowed to discuss the very interesting - never before known - details. but of course, the clinic and apparently the ch are not interested.

here is one shocking bit to me:

not known before - a 20 July blood sample contained 1ug/mL of clen

that's right a day before the positive urine, clen was found in bert's blood...

but go on fans and ant-fan argue...while i'm reading the facts as seen by cas.

 

[LaFlorecita]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/06022012/2/cycling-contador-gets-year-ban-set-lose-tour-title.html

 

[LaFlorecita]

a heap of posts back i posted the full 98 page ruling and requested that a separate thread is allowed to discuss the very interesting - never before known - details. but of course, the clinic and apparently the ch are not interested.

here is one shocking bit to me:

not known before - a 20 July blood sample contained 1mg/mL of clen

that's right a day before the positive urine, clen was found in bert's blood...

but go on fans and ant-fan argue...while i'm reading the facts as seen by cas.

But how can it go from 1 mg to 50 pg in one day?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Edit: Nevermind, my brain doesn't work.

 

[roundabout]

To be honest, one of the more interesting things is the protected witness and whether he will turn up at the Fuentes trial.

The rest is about as much as has been gathered on this forum over the last 16 months or so + the contaminated supplement.

 

[straydog]

I'm glad Alberto has such loyal friends.

hmmm....must be lovely to have such a monumental hypocrite as a friend.

Wow....Bertie really needs his PR department to step up to the plate.

Getting a guy to support you who discussed his transfusion protocol with his rival Floyd in 2006, and then talked about how he was cheated by the same rival when he failed a test....WOW what a COUP!

 

[trevim]

Sastre too

http://www.record.xl.pt/Modalidades/Ciclismo/interior.aspx?content_id=739869

 

[python]

But how can it go from 1 mg to 50 pg in one day?

i'm still reading (note i fixed it to 1ug/ml) and also note one test was in blood (the 20th) and another (in urine)

 

[Winternet_]

Here it is

The person responsible for Bertie's 2-year ban:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Hardy

Now we know.

 

[JA.Tri]

No....but you clearly are....let's try this again real slow

He failed a test....his results are taken away....he gets banned....

There...simples...you savvy now?

Were you this vociferous in defence of Tom Zirbel? Or the many others who received and served a FULL two year ban for contaminated supplement fails?

I somehow suspect not....cos I somehow suspect that cycling plays a part in your life for three weeks in July.

Well now, you can watch it in August instead, never know...you might learn something.

Peace

I was sad for Tom and others (that have been in a similar boat). Of recent decades, there have been a number of athletes that have been on the "wrong" side of the "strict liability"issue.

My view is that:

disqualification of results while said "contamination" is present

is reasonable...everything else...is up for grabs!

 

[LaFlorecita]

i'm still reading (note i fixed it to 1ug/ml) and also note one test was in blood (the 20th) and another (in urine)

Okay thanks. Interesting information.