Alberto Contador suspended until August 2012 (loses all results July 2010 - Jan 2012)

[Walkman]

Why would she change her loyalty? Everyone who knows just a little bit about science knows that this test proves nothing. Contador is saved by the fact that he was tested the day before the positive, on which date the amount of clenbuterol was zero. That means that the low amount cannot be justified by the substance's half-life. Moreover, there's just no possible way in which he can knowingly have consumed that low amount of clenbuterol, unless he willingly took 1/5000 of a normal clenbuterol doze (you can just imagine how small that "pill" would be - it wouldn't be visible to the naked eye, at least).

There are only 2 options: either the clenbuterol got there by blood doping (which is not proved) or it got there by food contamination (not proved either). As I see it, he's not guilty unless they can actually prove that he blood doped. As it stands now he's suspended on a formality, namely the rule that says that a rider is responsible for having a banned substance in their body and have to prove themselves that it was due to contamination - which is impossible in Contador's case.

You should read what python wrote in this thread. Because they DID found clen in AC's urine the day before.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So in fact Contador gets a 6 1/2 month ban. What the **** are the Contador fans here being so butthurt for?

Fixed that.

And we're "butthurt" because he doesn't deserve any suspension at all.

 

[sniper]

It kills cycling because it becomes a stupid, boring sport without Alberto. Alberto is cycling. At least for a lot of people.

good argument

i've jumped a whole in the air today, and with me plenty of others. i wonder why?

 

[Benotti69]

Fixed that.

And we're "butthurt" because he doesn't deserve any suspension at all.

According to CAS he does.

 

[Havetts]

Fixed that.

And we're "butthurt" because he doesn't deserve any suspension at all.

Where does the 1/2 come from, 6 Feb to 5(or 6) August. 8-2 = 6, not 6,5..

 

[LaFlorecita]

Riis and Contador will give press conference tomorrow at 19h30 in Pinto - the press corps in Mallorca now scrambling to buy tix to Madrid

Lol.............

 

[The Hitch]

iniesta is one of the very few barca players i like, he is a really humble down to earth guy( much like contador) for example when spain won the world cup the team went to a club in madrid to celebrate and he spent every single minute of that night giving autographs and taking pictures with fans instead of just partying hard like the rest of the team did, ofc they also gave autographs and stuff but after a while they asked the fans for some time for themselves but not iniesta.

I dont see the sacrifice. He signed a few autographs so what.

iniesta scored the goal which in a religious nutjob country like Spain is going to be replayed for the next 600 years. Of course he would go round signing autographs, that must have been the most pleasant experience of his life.

 

[straydog]

Fixed that.

And we're "butthurt" because he doesn't deserve any suspension at all.

wow....You're really itching for some attention aren't you?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Where does the 1/2 come from, 6 Feb to 5(or 6) August. 8-2 = 6, not 6,5..

He has served 5 months and 19 days, so 6 months and 11 days remain.

 

[LaFlorecita]

wow....You're really itching for some attention aren't you?

No not really. I just have to put things straight.

 

[Walkman]

No, he was pulled out before the end.

So being a convicted doper doesn't have anything to do with wherever or not you should be consider the winner?

 

[LaFlorecita]

good argument

i've jumped a whole in the air today, and with me plenty of others. i wonder why?

Hey, you know what? A whole lot would've jumped in the air if the verdict would've been the exact opposite. I wonder why?

 

[VeloCity]

Whats stupid about it

Believing in someone to the point that only a confession will suffice, regardless of how much evidence there is. If that were true, then you'd have to believe that nearly every criminal in the history of the human race was innocent.

 

[spalco]

Fixed that.

Ah, right, my bad. Counting to 6 is hard.

And we're "butthurt" because he doesn't deserve any suspension at all.

Still, I think this is an excellent result for Contador. He loses most of this season, but in return he'll certainly do the Vuelta (I would imagine) and he'll have a lot of "anger in his belly" next year.

As to the 2010 Tour and 2011 Giro - I'm a well established "hater", but not even I would say he didn't "win" those races. He will always be the winner in the minds of everybody who saw him there.

 

[The Hitch]

Just a question. If AC is the winner of the 2010 Tour and the 2011 Giro, isn't Rasmussen the winner of the 2007 Tour then?

I kind of agree

Exactly. Double standards, double standards everywhere.

The best justification for 2007 is given by none other than our friend El Pistolero.

Rasmussen - he says- was only ahead of Contador because of a breakaway and without this brekaway Contador would have won and he was the best so Rasmussen deserves to get banned and Alberto ftw

 

[Walkman]

The only people killing cycling are those involved in doping in cycling.

The answer has been staring them in their faces since Festina and they failed to take a stance and make it the cleanest sport int he world.

No the idiots thought they could sweep it under the carpet.

You want someone to blame.

Blame;
All those who dope
All those who hire dopers
Ex doping cyclists who refuse to sepak the truth about their time as doping riders. eg Eddy Merckx etc
All the Doctors who administer dope
All those fans who ignore the doing
The ASO
The RSC
The media who refuse to write the truth
Teams who proclaim they are clean and the sport is cleaner.

Don't Blame;
Riders who refuse to dope.
The fans who call a spade a spade
Journalists who write the truth
Testers
Testing laboratories and the new tests they continue to develop.

Nice to see there are some people here who seems to share my feeling!

 

[Winternet_]

So being a convicted doper doesn't have anything to do with wherever or not you should be consider the winner?

Again, he was not convicted for doping, but for the presence of small traces of an illegal substance in his body. They do not prove how the substance entered the body and they did not prove if there was foul play by Alberto.

 

[spalco]

Just a question. If AC is the winner of the 2010 Tour and the 2011 Giro, isn't Rasmussen the winner of the 2007 Tour then?

No, he didn't finish. Floyd is a better example, and Riis '96. And yes, they both are winners in my opinion too.

 

[The Hitch]

Fixed that.

And we're "butthurt" because he doesn't deserve any suspension at all.

My but hurts from the sitting ive been doing arguing on here, but other than that its the loss of the 2 gts and the inability to participate in this years Tour that really hurt.

Oh and the fact that its now extremely unlikely he will beat Armstrongs 7 total. Just 2 years ago he was ahead of schedule. Now hes way behind.

 

[straydog]

No not really. I just have to put things straight.

well thanks for all the information you have provided "putting things straight"....you know, if by putting things straight, you mean whining like a child with a smacked ****.

We need voices of reason and logic like you....people who inform us....provide unflinching critical commentary....capture the zeitgeist...unleash the powers of inexhaustible investigation....

Congratulations....I can clearly relinquish my fanboy/girl/4 year old child crown!

 

[Winternet_]

Believing in someone to the point that only a confession will suffice, regardless of how much evidence there is. If that were true, then you'd have to believe that nearly every criminal in the history of the human race was innocent.

There was no evidence. Whatsoever. The only evidence is the existence of traces of clenbuterol in his body. It's like the only evidence in a murder case is the fact that they found the murder weapon with the defendant. That's not enough to make a conviction (except in our beloved sport, of course).

 

[offbyone]

The big question we are all missing is whether Contador will ever ride in a saxobank jersey again. I am not sure how likely it is, but saxobank could very well lose their world tour status as a result of this.

 

[The Hitch]

What also hurts is Evans fans painting themselves in the "anti doping" brand transparency paint and trying to justify their support for another dirty rider as support for good vs evil doping Contador.

 

[Poursuivant]

The only people killing cycling are those involved in doping in cycling.

The answer has been staring them in their faces since Festina and they failed to take a stance and make it the cleanest sport int he world.

No the idiots thought they could sweep it under the carpet.

You want someone to blame.

Blame;
All those who dope
All those who hire dopers
Ex doping cyclists who refuse to sepak the truth about their time as doping riders. eg Eddy Merckx etc
All the Doctors who administer dope
All those fans who ignore the doing
The ASO
The RSC
The media who refuse to write the truth
Teams who proclaim they are clean and the sport is cleaner.

Don't Blame;
Riders who refuse to dope.
The fans who call a spade a spade
Journalists who write the truth
Testers
Testing laboratories and the new tests they continue to develop.

Great post, million per cent agree.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Oh and the fact that its now extremely unlikely he will beat Armstrongs 7 total. Just 2 years ago he was ahead of schedule. Now hes way behind.

That makes me sad as well.