Well after today we'll have the opinion of Nibali as well as Gibo and Contador.. I'd like to hear what he has to say 
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Libertine Seguros said:
The idea is to build an actual mountain http://www.diebergkomter.nl/ and should be at least 2000 m high.
I agree with The Great One
Their building mountains now ?
Might be a good think Giro fired Angleo then
Their building mountains now ?
Might be a good think Giro fired Angleo then
eric_vv said:
They're building it in Flevoland? That's just too funny. Please tell me there'll be a road there to teach the new Dutch youngsters how to climb
Haven't ridden either so I couldn't possible make any estimation.
Anyone who thinks they can despite no first hand experience is kidding themselves.
Anyone who thinks they can despite no first hand experience is kidding themselves.
Libertine Seguros said:They're building it in Flevoland? That's just too funny. Please tell me there'll be a road there to teach the new Dutch youngsters how to climb
The location (like all other plans) isn't set this seems to suggest building it of the coast. With a connection to the mainland. Kan jou imagine that stage combining a long straight road in the wind with a mountaintop finish?
So another opinion on this subject: Tiago Machado (Radioshack) who rode the Zoncolan in the Giro and now the Angliru says that Zoncolan is harder.
no crostis said:
This is insightful. It appears that both climbs are very close in difficulty. The difference, IMO, would likely lie in the type of weather on the day of the climb for the racers - wind, heat, rain.
imagine the Zoncolan or Angliru with massive headwind. I guess you don't want to live anymore after 2km
Eshnar
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well, when you're going at 10 km/h or so the wind isn't a big deal. Unless it's a hurricaneDekker_Tifosi said:
Doesn't need to be a hurricane. Few years back I was walking the streets of Dublin one april night, the headwind was so hard you really had to make an effort to walk into it. If you've never been to a place that's really exposed to wind, on a really windy day, it can be hard to imagine.
(As opposed to places that are sheltered from the worst winds because of topology, like mountain ranges or valley tops.)
I don't know if those two mountains really get the worst kinds of winds, though?
(As opposed to places that are sheltered from the worst winds because of topology, like mountain ranges or valley tops.)
I don't know if those two mountains really get the worst kinds of winds, though?
Not true.Eshnar said:well, when you're going at 10 km/h or so the wind isn't a big deal. Unless it's a hurricane
Just outside the city here there is a molehill, I would say not more than 3/4%. Which normally slows you down, but since it's so short it is nothing. However, in february, i went up there and got flattened by headwind storm. I seriously couldn't go faster than 12/13km/h (on a racebike)
If that was a 20% slope I would go backwards
Eshnar
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in a 20% slope I always go backwards anywayDekker_Tifosi said:Not true.
Just outside the city here there is a molehill, I would say not more than 3/4%. Which normally slows you down, but since it's so short it is nothing. However, in february, i went up there and got flattened by headwind storm. I seriously couldn't go faster than 12/13km/h (on a racebike)
If that was a 20% slope I would go backwards
but I understand your point
Come May 26 2012, we will have a new climb to compare with these two monsters.
It cannot match Zoncolan's epic 6km @ 14.9%, but its first 6km are @ 12.5%.
Its hardest section, right at the top, is 800m @ 16.75%, this is again beaten by Angliru's 17.3% kilo, or Zoncolan's 1.5km @ 18%.
On a whole, the official stats register it at 11.4km @ 10.5%. But this one features a brief descent, so we must go deeper.
The first 8km see a gain of 920m.
After an 800m descent, there are two final kilometres before the pass, with a gain of 263m.
Adding the two sections together, we have 10km @ 11.8%*
*using data from Salite, RCS have calculated the start of the official climb 600m earlier, if we were to include that section, we would get a number almost identical to Ovaro, 10.6km @ ~11.5%
This is very competitive with Ovaro's 10.5km @ 11.5%. Of course, the descent is still there, so that brief respite must be taken into account. Plus, the extreme gradients of Zoncolan and Angliru have to be recognised as providing an additional challenge.
I think we can consider this a more consistent cousin of Zoncolan, and if not on par in terms of difficulty, very close to the mark.
There will be no waiting for Stelvio.
It cannot match Zoncolan's epic 6km @ 14.9%, but its first 6km are @ 12.5%.
Its hardest section, right at the top, is 800m @ 16.75%, this is again beaten by Angliru's 17.3% kilo, or Zoncolan's 1.5km @ 18%.
On a whole, the official stats register it at 11.4km @ 10.5%. But this one features a brief descent, so we must go deeper.
The first 8km see a gain of 920m.
After an 800m descent, there are two final kilometres before the pass, with a gain of 263m.
Adding the two sections together, we have 10km @ 11.8%*
*using data from Salite, RCS have calculated the start of the official climb 600m earlier, if we were to include that section, we would get a number almost identical to Ovaro, 10.6km @ ~11.5%
This is very competitive with Ovaro's 10.5km @ 11.5%. Of course, the descent is still there, so that brief respite must be taken into account. Plus, the extreme gradients of Zoncolan and Angliru have to be recognised as providing an additional challenge.
I think we can consider this a more consistent cousin of Zoncolan, and if not on par in terms of difficulty, very close to the mark.
There will be no waiting for Stelvio.
Mortirolo is still I think the most famous Giro climb. Id say the Zoncolan is harder, but Mortirolo gets usually put in the best place possible for a climb, 30k from the end. Maybe 1 day well see Zoncolan- Crostis
I agree, Giro 20 will be something else. Fingers cross the GC is still close them though Im afraid Liquigas might ruin it with their team tt up the mountain. Would be better if Basso was chasing pink, like last time we had the Mortirolo, and them whittling the group down to about 6 for the Stelvio, where Basso will drill it.
I agree, Giro 20 will be something else. Fingers cross the GC is still close them though Im afraid Liquigas might ruin it with their team tt up the mountain. Would be better if Basso was chasing pink, like last time we had the Mortirolo, and them whittling the group down to about 6 for the Stelvio, where Basso will drill it.
Eshnar
Moderator
I'd say the best thing Mortirolo has to offer is... Aprica.The Hitch said:
A MTF to the top of Mortirolo would be pointless. I still dream to see Zoncolan used as a pass someday.
Eshnar
Moderator
I guess everyone will.greenedge said:
But we still have to know who are his rivals though. It's a bit too early for that.
Would Finestre be generally regarded as the 4th toughest climb in GT's?
18 kms @ 9% with half of it a non paved road. That's a beast.
18 kms @ 9% with half of it a non paved road. That's a beast.
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