An Admission

[shawnrohrbach]

I wonder who will try to write THE definitive book about "The Fall" (or whatever you want to call all of this extended drama)? If you don't have a background in covering cycling, could you hope to peel back enough onion layers to get to the subtle truths (which shall remain nameless)?



Steeveo, just draw up a list of results requiring asterisks and I'm sure Kayle will be happy to make the necessary modifications to his palmares.

Joe, I doubt there could ever be one definitive book given the myriad of lies over the decades. Once a book is published, lies will be revealed and more lies told and that book will be immediately useless. More than peeling away some onion layers, I think it is going to be more like an archeological dig and rather than having a clear and concise historical picture, we will all be left to interpret the findings and leave it at that.

 

[Race Radio]

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Now, THAT was funny!

 

[suzanne sonye]

[mod comment: this is not a quoted factual news paper story, but an old news story, that has been liberally changed by this poster as a way to make his point]


Cyclist gets two-year ban

The cyclist Kayle Leogrande of the Rock Racing Team was recently handed a two-year ban by the USADA and the USAC, the USA doping control and the USA governing body of the sport respectively. The cyclist, from California, is generally regarded by his colleagues as a tool.

The two key witnesses against Leogrande were Suzanne Sonye and Frankie Andreu. Both worked for Rock Racing, the team Leogrande raced for in 2007. Sonye was a soigneur�responsible for providing physical therapy, food, handjobs and logistics for the cyclists�and Andreu, a former rider, was a administrator and previously friend to seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong who tested positive six times in 1999 for the banned drug EPO.

Leogrande's samples were taken during the International Cycling Classic in July 2007, where Leogrande won three events, finished second at three more and finished second overall at the event, also known as Stupidweek.

Though his 'A' sample was ruled negative because of a technicality, a panel ruled testimony from Sonye and Andreu, along with other evidence, was convincing enough to prove doping. Sonye testified that Leogrande told her he had used EPO and crack cocaine. She told Andreu. As the news spread through the team, there was a debate about whether to fire or suspend him. Eventually, Leogrande was suspended for two weeks but was allowed to continue to use crack cocaine on a social basis provided it was within the confines of a homeless shelter.

"No one within Rock Racing management questioned whether he'd used EPO," the decision read. "The only debate was what to do about it and where the rest of the team could get some too. The crack cocaine use was mostly dismissed, although Michael Ball consistently requested the connect."

Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding EPO vials that were taken at the home of cyclist Joe Papp and a letter that read: "Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you! I'll hook you up with one of Micheal's hoes! Thanks, Kayle."

USADA also introduced Papp's cell phone records that showed 274 calls and text messages to Leogrande with a third-party-conference-connection to a woman named LaKeesha during a 12-month period ending in July 2007.

Papp was a USADA witness in last year's public case against Floyd Landis. In that case, Papp said he was a drug cheat and testified about the ways synthetic testosterone helped him recover from all night crack cocaine binges. He said he never sold Leogrande crack cocaine or, "had sex with that woman."
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Helmut Roole contributed to this story.

I am here to tell you that I, Suzanne Sonye have never given anyone a hand job that I worked with on any team. I have taken enough crap for this doping issue and am completely tired of it, no wonder people don't speak up, for fear of getting harassed by some idiot who doesn't get it. It's bad enough Kayle sued me for telling the truth now I have someone flat out joke about me being less than professional, too bad I can't sue for that.

Not cool buddy, not cool.

And to the moderator, not sure you did your job on this one.

 

[suzanne sonye]

Runninboy,

I'm not completely sure if I should say thank you or thanks for embarassing me? I don't remember that race situation in Long Beach at all, I realize I'm getting older an my memory is going but I think I'll have to double check with Thurlow or Butch. We all know my mom would have kicked my **** if I took a pee on the course, but maybe I did.

 

[MacRoadie]

Sonye was a soigneur�responsible for providing physical therapy, food, handjobs and logistics for the cyclists�

Dude, I missed that the first time (as the whole post is of no real value), but whever your intention, you must have OD'd on stupid right before you wrote it.

If the point you intended to make was how stupidmuch of a moron you could be, well then you succeeded.

I'm going to agree with Suzanne (and it IS Suzanne) and ask a mod to clean that trash up.

 

[Barrus]

And to the moderator, not sure you did your job on this one.

where did Francois make a mistake?

 

[BroDeal]

Aside from being too dense to figure out what's a joke, where did people's sense of humor go?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I imagine she doesn't care for the guy (KL), and found the original comment degrading. That's beyond humor.

Thanks for coming on here and posting Suzanne. I'll see if I can connect with the other mod's and straighten things out.

If you continue to read, and I imagine you're not that motivated to do so, you'll find that the vast majority of people here support you in this situation, including the poster you reference, despite his crude comment.

 

[Escarabajo]

He definitely deserves a second chance...to shoot another video. I couldn't hear a word he was saying!

LOL. This is so funny.

Everyone deserves a second chance if they are really truthful. Is he really??

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As to the OP, my answer is no. I saw no confession or direct apology in the video. Seems like just another cheater who's sorry he got caught more than anything else.

Did anyone see something I missed?

 

[MacRoadie]

Aside from being too dense to figure out what's a joke, where did people's sense of humor go?

She likely found the reference to providing sexual favors as part of her job to be a bit offensive and degrading (and not too funny).

Just a guess...

 

[Anonymous]

As to the OP, my answer is no. I saw no confession or direct apology in the video. Seems like just another cheater who's sorry he got caught more than anything else.

Did anyone see something I missed?

Interesting and I don't disagree with you. But deserving or not, he's racing.

If an apology or confession is the standard for a second chance then there are lots of guys who should be sitting...

 

[suzanne sonye]

It's a very sore subject with me for many reasons. I am happy to see most people with me on this, but fail to find the humor in degrading those who have tried to do the right thing to keep our sport clean. I do appreciate the support.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

True Scott. Even if a blank apology, at least he’s saying SOMETHING. Most dopers show no remorse, and deny until the very end.

Let's hope he apologizes directly in private to those he hurt, and races clean in his comeback.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It's a very sore subject with me for many reasons. I am happy to see most people with me on this, but fail to find the humor in degrading those who have tried to do the right thing to keep our sport clean. I do appreciate the support.

You have to admit that aside from the fact that it was made at the expense of an innocent and by all accounts nice person, and ignoring the fact that it could be hurtful and even damaging to that person's reputation, a person who was only involved in the whole situation because she did the right thing, still it was kind of funny.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It's a very sore subject with me for many reasons...

I edited the original snide comment, plus all the quoted references to it.

If you wish to skip over the whole KL issue, I'm sure many of us here would welcome your knowledge and experience in the sport in many other threads.

 

[suzanne sonye]

Thank you so much!! You have no idea how grateful I am.

I will continue to post for sure, and hopefully on a more positive note!

Thanks again!

 

[joe_papp]

Apparently I have completely underestimated the level of stupidity out in the internet ether. So, let me state for the record that the above "article" is a joke; not to be taken seriously or confused with reality or used as a basis for a lawsuit (this last bit for the Americans in the audience). I will cease and desist in making such jokes because there are people here who are profoundly stupid not to mention litigious.

I think part of the problem is that people are stupid and this post will now be around for ever, and it will have a false and untrue reference to my supposedly having admitted to binging on cocaine. I'm about to get judged in a very real way, and thereafter will be judged on the same issue over and over again. All it's going to take is one stupid blogger or journalist (or someone who thinks they're cute) to decide to continue this gag and start writing about my supposed cocaine use, and it gets cemented more and more firmly into the permanent internet archive, as much as it exists.

Though perhaps the risk is low, it's still a real concern and one more worry that I don't need, because it has the potential, however slight, to be repeated and spread and discussed - by virtue of which it can become true, or at least "possible" for some.

And in Susan's case, who can blame her for being offended and angered that someone would joke about her doing sexual favors for KL?

Let me point out, I'm not offended by the reference to me - I'm just concerned to some degree that, based on the permanency of info propagating throughout the 'net, it has the potential to become something I'll have to defend against with someone who didn't read this thread.

 

[TexPat]

It's a very sore subject with me for many reasons. I am happy to see most people with me on this, but fail to find the humor in degrading those who have tried to do the right thing to keep our sport clean. I do appreciate the support.

Respect to you Suzanne. The things that were said about Emma O'Reilly to discredit her were very closely related to the poor attempt at satire posted previously.

As to the OP, my answer is no. I saw no confession or direct apology in the video. Seems like just another cheater who's sorry he got caught more than anything else.

Did anyone see something I missed?

That's what I was wondering. It's actually very easy to issue an apology. What his motivations are is truly a mystery.

True Scott. Even if a blank apology, at least he’s saying SOMETHING. Most dopers show no remorse, and deny until the very end.

Let's hope he apologizes directly in private to those he hurt, and races clean in his comeback.

Why not publicly?

 

[Anonymous]

Respect to you Suzanne. The things that were said about Emma O'Reilly to discredit her were very closely related to the poor attempt at satire posted previously.


That's what I was wondering. It's actually very easy to issue an apology. What his motivations are is truly a mystery.

Why not publicly?

Yeah, it's in the spirit of a non-apology apology... a non-admission admission.

Frankly, I don't get it. How hard is it to say, ""Yes, I F'd up and there are 1,000 reasons for it, but what I did was wrong and I'm sorry and I've learned something. I will do better next time"... or something like that.

 

[NashbarShorts]

I think part of the problem is that people are stupid and this post will now be around for ever, and it will have a false and untrue reference to my supposedly having admitted to binging on cocaine. I'm about to get judged in a very real way, and thereafter will be judged on the same issue over and over again. All it's going to take is one stupid blogger or journalist (or someone who thinks they're cute) to decide to continue this gag and start writing about my supposed.....

OMG get over yourself, man.

 

[El Imbatido]

OMG get over yourself, man.

Joe Papp is right about this though. Take the current Ricco situation as an example. All it takes is one media outlet to take something an run with it and then it is being published all around the world digitally and in hard copies in the newspapers. We don't even know if it is true....but all it took was one person who thinks they have a scoop from a supposable reliable source and kabooom! its everywhere

 

[joe_papp]

OMG get over yourself, man.

Deny it if you want. Whatever.

 

[131313]

I am here to tell you that I, Suzanne Sonye have never given anyone a hand job that I worked with on any team. I have taken enough crap for this doping issue and am completely tired of it, no wonder people don't speak up, for fear of getting harassed by some idiot who doesn't get it. It's bad enough Kayle sued me for telling the truth now I have someone flat out joke about me being less than professional, too bad I can't sue for that.

Not cool buddy, not cool.

And to the moderator, not sure you did your job on this one.

Personally, I found it funny, while recognizing it for what it was, satire. I've been accused of worse, on this very forum, so don't take it personally...