An Admission

[Hugh Januss]

Trust me, a 20 year-old kid wrenching in a bike shop is going to have more money in his bank account next week than KL. At the lowest level of the sport, anyone can race if they pay their entry fee. Even Floyd.

You are forgetting about Kayle's business that he took the last two years off of racing to concentrate on. I bet he's got a lot more money that the average bike shop rat.

 

[Anonymous]

Interesting tid-bit.

I've heard (don't know for sure) that KL showed up to race at CBR (Dominguez) on Sunday and the promoter told him he was not welcome at CBR races and would not let him race.

 

[this_is_edie]

Trust me, a 20 year-old kid wrenching in a bike shop is going to have more money in his bank account next week than KL. At the lowest level of the sport, anyone can race if they pay their entry fee. Even Floyd.

yep. What surprises me is that he was able to find a sponsor for his team.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Interesting tid-bit.

I've heard (don't know for sure) that KL showed up to race at CBR (Dominguez) on Sunday and the promoter told him he was not welcome at CBR races and would not let him race.

If it's true, good for Chris.

 

[MacRoadie]

If it's true, good for Chris.

Well, he blogged this morning and there's no mention of it... Very uncharacteristic.

 

[joe_papp]

Interesting tid-bit.

I've heard (don't know for sure) that KL showed up to race at CBR (Dominguez) on Sunday and the promoter told him he was not welcome at CBR races and would not let him race.

That would be a shame if true, that promoters are trying to prohibit otherwise eligible athletes from competing in their events. Probably violates some rule governing their association/federation, somehow. Like him or not if he served his ban and isn't doping now he should be free to race w/o being discriminated against.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Well, he blogged this morning and there's no mention of it... Very uncharacteristic.

That would be a shame if true, that promoters are trying to prohibit otherwise eligible athletes from competing in their events. Probably violates some rule governing their association/federation, somehow. Like him or not if he served his ban and isn't doping now he should be free to race w/o being discriminated against.

Maybe between Sunday and this morning he thought of what Joe is saying? Not that Chris is usually that good at keeping himself out of trouble.

 

[socalvelo]

That would be a shame if true, that promoters are trying to prohibit otherwise eligible athletes from competing in their events. Probably violates some rule governing their association/federation, somehow. Like him or not if he served his ban and isn't doping now he should be free to race w/o being discriminated against.

Is this for real?
You have a drug dealer defending the doper he sold drugs to,
telling a race series he knows nothing about,
that they are "wrong" for excluding a convicted doper.

Did we just make a left turn into the Twilight Zone?
Joe Papp can stuff his opinion with his crimes.


Last I remember, CBR is not a sanctioned series so they can do whatever they like.
Good for CBR!

 

[DirtyWorks]

That would be a shame if true, that promoters are trying to prohibit otherwise eligible athletes from competing in their events. Probably violates some rule governing their association/federation, somehow. Like him or not if he served his ban and isn't doping now he should be free to race w/o being discriminated against.

This is crazy thinking. There's no shame in turning away an unrepentant doper. KL is free to race the bike path.

Chris had publicly apologized for a long history of shooting his mouth off early this year and is doing a good job refraining from the name calling. With this in mind, there should be nothing on his blog. It seems to me he did the right thing all the way around.

 

[joe_papp]

This is crazy thinking. There's no shame in turning away an unrepentant doper. KL is free to race the bike path.

Chris had publicly apologized for a long history of shooting his mouth off early this year and is doing a good job refraining from the name calling. With this in mind, there should be nothing on his blog. It seems to me he did the right thing all the way around.

Sorry if I didn't make clear but I assumed that the sanctioning organization is somehow bound by the regulations governing eligibility as they would apply to USAC-sanctioned events. And I don't believe that promoters have the legal right to refuse entry to otherwise eligible individuals. If the sanctioning organization isn't in anyway affiliated through any agreement w/ USAC then that probably wouldn't be the case. Nevertheless, I still don't think it sets a good precedent when otherwise eligible athletes can be refused entry to an event just because the promoter doesn't like them. You, for example, could then be denied entry to a race that I promoted (and yes I've promoted at least a half-dozen USAC-sanctioned races) just because I didn't like your attitude. Is that a can of worms anyone wants to open? (but if you do, have fun - more power to you)

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Sorry if I didn't make clear but I assumed that the sanctioning organization is somehow bound by the regulations governing eligibility as they would apply to USAC-sanctioned events. And I don't believe that promoters have the legal right to refuse entry to otherwise eligible individuals. If the sanctioning organization isn't in anyway affiliated through any agreement w/ USAC then that probably wouldn't be the case. Nevertheless, I still don't think it sets a good precedent when otherwise eligible athletes can be refused entry to an event just because the promoter doesn't like them. You, for example, could then be denied entry to a race that I promoted (and yes I've promoted at least a half-dozen USAC-sanctioned races) just because I didn't like your attitude. Is that a can of worms anyone wants to open? (but if you do, have fun - more power to you)

Blah blah blah blah, blah de blah blah.

Of course a promoter can not accept attendance of certain riders.

 

[MacRoadie]

Sorry if I didn't make clear but I assumed that the sanctioning organization is somehow bound by the regulations governing eligibility as they would apply to USAC-sanctioned events.

These aren't USAC-sanctioned events. They are promoted under the auspices of CBR (California Bicycle Racing);

California Bicycle racing

In So Cal, just about everyone races both USAC AND CBR. The prize money is especially nice in CBR.

 

[BotanyBay]

This is crazy thinking. There's no shame in turning away an unrepentant doper. KL is free to race the bike path.

Chris had publicly apologized for a long history of shooting his mouth off early this year and is doing a good job refraining from the name calling. With this in mind, there should be nothing on his blog. It seems to me he did the right thing all the way around.

Link to the blog, please?

 

[joe_papp]

Blah blah blah blah, blah de blah blah.

Of course a promoter can not accept attendance of certain riders.

Blah Blah Blah Blah...guy droning on and on about doping as if it actually impacted his life...

 

[MacRoadie]

Link to the blog, please?

http://californiabicycleracing.blogspot.com/

January 14 was the apology, but you probably have to read back a few months to get a feel for the rant-of-the-day nature of things. Especially the Tony Cruz rants.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Blah blah blah blah, blah de blah blah.

Of course a promoter can not accept attendance of certain riders.

So it would be OK if a promoter didn't accept an entry just so that guy wouldn't beat the local star of said promoters team? Allowing promoters to refuse entries for their own reasons would open a can of worms.
On the other hand the cross over of regulations between USAC and CBR has become more tenuous due to USAC rescinding the the agreement of allowing CBR results to be used for license upgrade, so maybe CBR promoters can do whatever they want.

 

[BotanyBay]

Thanks Mac. This quote will clear-up the issue in regards to KL:

Monday, November 22, 2010....<snip>

2nd change: dopers. Anyone who has ever had suspended racing license, had suffered a revoked racing license, been denied to participate in a race, disqualified from racing or participating in a race as a result of using performance enhancing substances shall not race in CBR-permitted races.

Sounds pretty cut-and-dry to me. It's his ball, and his rules.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Blah Blah Blah Blah...guy droning on and on about doping as if it actually impacted his life...

I didn't realize I actually needed to be dealer, proponent, and user of PEDs to have them 'actually impact' my life.

I can understand how you may be looking for some sort of absolution (and gain/regain acceptance), but there is no way you can tell a clean rider that doping HASN'T impacted their life.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Thanks Mac. This quote will clear-up the issue in regards to KL:



Sounds pretty cut-and-dry to me. It's his ball, and his rules.

Well, that's different then. Never mind.

 

[socalvelo]

amazing what you find about this guy...

 

[Anonymous]

BACK FROM MY BAN!!!!
Kayle is an a**hole!

 

[Anonymous]

The title of this thread should be changed to "An Admission... with a caveat"

Mods?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/leogrande-talks-about-his-two-year-doping-sanction


It seems as though KL accepts responsibility... only it was Rock Racing and Michael Ball's fault. Except it wasn't. And getting caught was a good thing. Except it wasn't.

Everybody got it??

 

[joe_papp]

Thanks Mac. This quote will clear-up the issue in regards to KL:


Sounds pretty cut-and-dry to me. It's his ball, and his rules.

Didn't realize CBR was so limited in the scope of its activities (though they do have a reciprocity agreement w/ USA Cycling and there's probably something in their bylaws or the USOC's that would see CBR lose said agreement if it were to continue to deny eligible riders the opportunity to compete). Anyway, some entertaining comments in the rules-change thread:

Anonymous said...You should be honored for a Steve Hegg, Floyd Landis to do your crappy course. Eldo, wow what fun. I do the same for free at the Lego land workout. CBR, what a joke..
December 04, 2010 10:17 PM

Anonymous said...Everyone should boycott CBR races. A 1988 suspension, and still going to post a name. Your useless
December 04, 2010 10:23 PM

Anonymous said...Lotts. You can't have it both ways. 23 riders? WTF! You whine about attendance and then say this?
December 07, 2010 9:42 AM

Author said...I don't want it both ways, chances are - this will be CBR's last year of promoting since it seems that racers just want USUC.

That being said, this attempt to build local racing for racers after 10 years will prolly fizzle out in 2012, so what the fvck do I care if 10 racers or 100 racers so up? If I get jammed in JAN & FEB with a poorly-attended category, I'll revise the race flyer sans the weak category.

I no longer care about excuses like race conflicts, weather, peaking, or the shape of the moon - it'll be easier to leave early rather than pay all that money for 3 racers to do laps in March.
December 07, 2010 8:40 PM
Anonymous said...pack up this year. nobody will care. Plenty of other races. Good ones. 23 racers split the prize money. Soon it will be 10% of entries paid. Which will be like 5 bucks for the top 6,
December 08, 2010 11:10 PM


Anonymous said...
wow lotts, you are ***. Let us see. UCI bans professional riders for doping for 2 years. Then they race again. If you are Steve H. your ban last for 24 years. You should run for politics, you make up your own rules and length of suspensions. I thought 10 years ago you started CBR so everyone would have a place to race. Good luck with this year. I will tell everyone to save the cash, spend it at a race that the promoter isn't an ____hole.
December 09, 2010 8:45 PM


Anonymous said...Randall, since I'm a cat 1 pussy that won't say his name. You pick your favorite ride that you don't get dropped on. I will show up. You drop me from the ride, I will post my name. I drop you, I get your bike. Sounds fair to me....
December 15, 2010 8:42 PM

Anonymous said...To the (allegedly) anonymous Cat. 1 who now boycott's CBR races because of new doping policy:

You are the typical stupid racer, no brains and all legs (Cat 1, right?). Best of luck racing on Sundays-only (USCF), when CBR has events on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday & Sunday: you're real smart! A smart racer (not you), even if the smart racer (not you) despises CBR, will train to win just so that the smart racer (not you) can take away money from CBR.

When you're happy to see that reflection in the mirror, know that you have only ten minutes to get to the bike shop, punch your time card, and re-adjust my bottom bracket. You certainly beat this Cat. III every Sunday we race, but I'm pretty sure my 401(k) is more like a Cat. 1 and your 401(k) is more like a Cat IX.
December 16, 2010 5:55 AM

Anonymous said...To cat 3 for life. Spoken like a true chicken. Enjoy that corporate job. Who needs to get a set of balls, not me.
December 16, 2010 6:15 AM

etc. lol...

 

[socalvelo]

Didn't realize CBR was so limited in the scope of its activities (though they do have a reciprocity agreement w/ USA Cycling and there's probably something in their bylaws or the USOC's that would see CBR lose said agreement if it were to continue to deny eligible riders the opportunity to compete). Anyway, some entertaining comments in the rules-change thread:

<snip>

etc. lol...

This is the entire problem right here. Drug dealers and abusers laughing at honest sportsmen and organizers that hold sports to an ethical standard which allows everyone to enjoy it.

It just shows that twisted sense of self-delusion which allowed cheaters to justify their actions; never understanding the spirit of the laws nor what sport means to honest competitors or fans.

Drug dealing and abuse are just the symptom of a person without dignity nor the courage to believe in themselves because they are scared and cowardly.

Cowards cheat because they believe, to the core, they can't do it.
Vultures peddle cowardice to justify their own lack of self-worth.
Children mock the actions of men because they don't understand what it means to stand up for your convictions.


the only registered comments in that blog entry (besides the author):

I love it, I can't wait to see the names that get added on to that list.
# posted by Blogger Jim Miller


Blogger Alexandra DeVelo said...

I forgot how serious the internet is. Hey anonymous douche bag, I got a deal for ya. I'll pay one of your entry fees if you show your face at one of the races instead of hiding behind a computer screen like a scared *****. Let your legs do the talking instead of your mouth. All that verbal vomit just sounds like roid rage to me. *shrugs*

and a proper link
http://californiabicycleracing.blogspot.com/2010/11/2011-cbr-rules-changes.html

 

[nolimit]

joe you are such a liar and snake in the grass, you encourage these riders to dope and then you turn around and tell authorities about them when it is convenient to you. You are a douche which is obvious to everyone, but to come to on these message boards with such a sanctimonious air about you is the epitome of desperate. But when you think about it, it is actually in line with the rest of the way you act so I don't think anyone is surprised.
You are so twisted that I bet you actually believe you are better than all these people you are helping bust.